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Created by: JeffGorton
Team: 2024-25 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: May 23, 2024
Published: May 23, 2024
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$1,500,000
Trades
1.
WPG
  1. Anderson, Josh
  2. Barron, Justin [RFA Rights]
  3. 2025 1st round pick (CGY)
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (PIT)
  5. 2025 3rd round pick (NJD)
  6. 2025 3rd round pick (VAN)
2.
MTL
  1. 2024 1st round pick (MIN)
MIN
  1. Matheson, Michael
  2. 2024 1st round pick (WPG)
3.
4.
MTL
  1. 2024 1st round pick (CHI)
CHI
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. Mesar, Filip
  3. 2024 1st round pick (MTL)
  4. 2024 1st round pick (MIN)
Additional Details:
5th, 13th and prospects for 2nd so habs can take Demidov
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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Logo of the MIN
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Logo of the SJS
Logo of the MTL
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Logo of the EDM
Logo of the WSH
2025
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the DET
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
Logo of the MTL
2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$87,700,000$82,188,750$1,022,500$4,727,500$5,511,250
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$3,500,000$4M)
RW, LW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,875,000$7,875,000
C
UFA - 6
Logo of the Columbus Blue Jackets
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C, RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$7,850,000$7,850,000
LW, RW
UFA - 7
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,362,500$3,362,500
C, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Winnipeg Jets
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$835,000$835,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$2,900,000$2,900,000
C, LW
RFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$6,500,000$6,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$4,450,000$4,450,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,700,000$1,700,000
C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,100,000$1,100,000
LW, RW
RFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$1,500,000$1,500,000
LD/RD
RFA
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,500,000$3,500,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$3,150,000$3,150,000
G
UFA - 3
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$420,000$420K)
LD/RD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$875,000$875,000
RD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$890,000$890,000
G
RFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$950,000$950,000 (Performance Bonus$750,000$750K)
LD
RFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$766,667$766,667
RD
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$812,500$812,500
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$10,500,000$10,500,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Montreal Canadiens
$867,500$867,500 (Performance Bonus$57,500$58K)
LD
RFA - 1

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May 23 at 3:14 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Because it gives them a potential 20 goal scorer and try to revive his career, away from Columbus. The risk is the 18m in cap hit over 2 seasons. Its a med risk, med reward type of trade


Oh so all the reasons Columbus would rather have him than Armia? Because he's better? Because the potential is there? Because he'll probably score more than 6 goals if he plays more than 18 games?

You guys don't even make sense anymore. You just say **** to say **** and hope one of the thoughts makes sense.
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May 23 at 3:20 p.m.
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Quoting: Caerii
Oh so all the reasons Columbus would rather have him than Armia? Because he's better? Because the potential is there? Because he'll probably score more than 6 goals if he plays more than 18 games?

You guys don't even make sense anymore. You just say **** to say **** and hope one of the thoughts makes sense.


Hes stunk in Columbus so bad, and now has joined the player assistance program, Hes not gonna magically come back and perform in Columbus. He needs a change of scenery but not many teams have the infrastructure and cap space to actually make Laine work

Armia is essentially a money move. Some cap needs to come back because no one is taking Laine full cap. Jackets could easily retain 50% on Armia and get a 2nd rounder. And retaining 1.75m for a few months (TDL move) is a lot easier than retaining 4.35m for 2 years
May 23 at 3:21 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Hes stunk in Columbus so bad, and now has joined the player assistance program, Hes not gonna magically come back and perform in Columbus. He needs a change of scenery but not many teams have the infrastructure and cap space to actually make Laine work

Armia is essentially a money move. Some cap needs to come back because no one is taking Laine full cap. Jackets could easily retain 50% on Armia and get a 2nd rounder. And retaining 1.75m for a few months (TDL move) is a lot easier than retaining 4.35m for 2 years


Like I said

Quoting: Caerii

You guys don't even make sense anymore. You just say **** to say **** and hope one of the thoughts makes sense.
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May 23 at 3:29 p.m.
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Quoting: JeffGorton
Do your eyes not work? Barron, 1st, 2nd and 2 3rds isnt a cap dump and more than pays for Anderson and Ehlers


Nowhere near enough to dump $16.5 mil of dead cap. You're looking at about a first for every $5.0 mil from past comparable cap dumps.
May 23 at 3:34 p.m.
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Laine shouldnt have any value. Hes a one dimensional goal scorer that doesnt score. He has hit 30 goals in 6 seasons. And matheson does fit a role for the Wild. hes an upgrade on Middleton and would be their best OFD and actually gives them a PP1 QB (Faber is fine there but hes better 5v5).


The "reasoning" of some Montreal fans. Laine has no value, but somehow Anderson is a positive asset. How out of touch with reality can you get?
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May 23 at 4:09 p.m.
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Laine shouldnt have any value. Hes a one dimensional goal scorer that doesnt score. He has hit 30 goals in 6 seasons. And matheson does fit a role for the Wild. hes an upgrade on Middleton and would be their best OFD and actually gives them a PP1 QB (Faber is fine there but hes better 5v5).


It would have been faster to just say you don't watch Columbus games and also have no idea what you're talking about.

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Armia had 17 goals, Laine had 6. One is paid 3.5m and plays very good defence. The other is a one dimensional scorer that doesnt score and makes nearly 9m. Laine hasnt hit 30 goal since 2018-2019


And this is just straight up ignorant disingenuous bulls***. He's so bad you've got him playing above Ehlers and Caulfield?

Look, if you want to make a real offer for a player who's rounded out his game a ton since coming to Columbus, while (when healthy) scoring at a rate better than all but one of his WPG seasons (and it's not the 40-goal season), we can talk. But I don't think that's your intent here. Go waste another team's time.
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May 23 at 4:11 p.m.
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Quoting: CaseyFlyman
This is peak ACGM talking past each other. Matheson can be worth 13 draft spots in the first round and not fill any remote need for the Wild. Don't try to force trades that aren't a fit, and don't argue value on trades that aren't a fit. .

Matheson shouldn’t be worth 13th overall to anyone. Would Montreal trade 5th overall for Brodin? If the answer is no, you should be able to see Minnesota’s POV. If the answer is yes, please have your GM send in the request.
May 23 at 4:23 p.m.
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Matheson shouldn’t be worth 13th overall to anyone. Would Montreal trade 5th overall for Brodin? If the answer is no, you should be able to see Minnesota’s POV. If the answer is yes, please have your GM send in the request.


...you're talking past me now, too, I was trying to take your side.

I said he's probably worth moving up 13 spots, with the assumption it's a late pick + Matheson for a mid-rounder; I didn't say he's worth 13OA, although I don't think he's that far off. I also realize that it's not at all a fit for MIN, a team that is probably better off making the pick and letting the younger core develop another year. Let an older playoff team looking for a top-pair LD spend the mid-rounder on him.
May 23 at 4:26 p.m.
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...you're talking past me now, too, I was trying to take your side.

I said he's probably worth moving up 13 spots, with the assumption it's a late pick + Matheson for a mid-rounder; I didn't say he's worth 13OA, although I don't think he's that far off. I also realize that it's not at all a fit for MIN, a team that is probably better off making the pick and letting the younger core develop another year. Let an older playoff team looking for a top-pair LD spend the mid-rounder on him.

That’s not what you said at all.

Edit: unless you mean 32 to 19? That at least makes some sense since 19 is a playoff team.
May 23 at 4:32 p.m.
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...you're talking past me now, too, I was trying to take your side.

I said he's probably worth moving up 13 spots, with the assumption it's a late pick + Matheson for a mid-rounder; I didn't say he's worth 13OA, although I don't think he's that far off. I also realize that it's not at all a fit for MIN, a team that is probably better off making the pick and letting the younger core develop another year. Let an older playoff team looking for a top-pair LD spend the mid-rounder on him.


Quoting: Digitalbooya06
That’s not what you said at all.

Edit: unless you mean 32 to 19? That at least makes some sense since 19 is a playoff team.


Ultimately I think the main takeaways here are, in order:
1) Matheson isn't a fit for the Wild's 1st round pick
2) Matheson isn't worth a pick as high as 13 to any team
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May 23 at 5:07 p.m.
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Quoting: Digitalbooya06
That’s not what you said at all.

Edit: unless you mean 32 to 19? That at least makes some sense since 19 is a playoff team.


Yeah, I meant in the 25-32 range, which would be anywhere from 12-19 range. But this would be entirely theoretical, since obviously there's only one Matheson and he's on MTL. But I could see a Matheson-type player be enough to move up from 28 to 15 for example, for a team like a Pittsburgh or Detroit that barely missed the playoffs.

But yeah, I should have specified a little more.
 
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