although i dont necessarily want to keep him, if we have to retain and all we are getting is upgrading a 2nd to a 1st, id probably just say we keep him and see if we can get more at the TDL.

other teams aren't just lining up to take your cap dumps. when will TOR fans figure this out

Take out the second going back to the leafs or make it like a 4th or something. I’d rather the jackets just keep him till the deadline if they have to half retain just to upgrade a pick 10-20 spots

I'd be fine with a 3rd, or 4th just assuming that 2026 2nd is a mid to late 2nd. Would still do it if a later pick came back tbh

Jarnkrok isn't a cap dump, Kampf you could argue. The Leafs could definetly get a 2nd/3rd for a versatile, 10-15 goal scorer at 2.1. Kampf doesn't have much value, but the Pens need a 4C and Dubas loves his old players

Maybe if the pick was 4th or later, but i still think that offer could be beat at the TDL. id do it if it we werent sending a pick at all. Retained Provorov for a 1st.

Just realized that i think i read your comment wrong. You mean yall adding a pick coming to us. No that wouldnt move the needle much.

100% you think all leaf players are cap dumps.

nope but it's clear
Järnkrok
Liljegren
Kämpf
all are, and that you think other people's players have no value aka CBJ trade above.
Do yourself a favor, instead of getting all bent out of shape about it, be honest with yourself and maybe one day you'll make a decent trade on here.

Lol just angry eh? Liljegren is a 25 year old who played 20 minutes a night down the stretch for a playoff team. He's an RFA as well but he's a cap dump. Why? The crest on his jersey. Jarnkrok? Swiss army knife can play anywhere and find success at 2.1 million and scores 30-40 points a year. Cap dump.

I do admit Kampf at his cap hit is excessive but he's a valuable player. Extremely good defensively, a good penalty killers and works hard every shift. He's likely lower value wise in a trade but he isn't without value, I absolutely bet multiple teams would want him for cheap. He's a very good 4c

Jarnkrok isn't a cap dump, Kampf is but he's not an expensive one to move. He just doesn't bring enough to a team to warrant the cap hit (unlike Jarnkrok), and the only spot he might be useful in at this point is 4C. Jarnkrok probably fetches a 3rd or 4th from a contender (a la Roslovic last TDL), and Kampf probably costs a 6th or 7th to dump.

And FWIW, Provorov half-retained is probably worth a late 1st/early 2nd. He's a well-rounded, reliable 2nd-pair D-man who's just not a great fit in Columbus and not part of the future plans. If that's the basis for the deal, I'd prefer Provorov and a 4th (maybe a 3rd if the market is light) for the TOR 1st, which should be very late.

If Järnkrok was the player you claim he is you wouldn't be trading him. So lets just end that right there. Teams don't trade value players. But he's not.
Liljegren is a run of the mill 3rd pairing guy who is not that good. If he was again you'd be keep a value defenseman on a cheap contract. Believe me in the cap era teams love value contracts. Instead you are shipping him out to replace him with FA. Please tell me why that is? Is it the crest on his sweater... and yes they wear sweaters and not Jersey.

Look I know it's hard to be honest about guys on your team. That's hard for a lot of people on here apparently. I'm pretty honest about what a player is and isn't.
There is no sense in beating around the bush on it. Believe me I don't give POJ, Ludvig, Shea, or Ivany and leeway on the penguins. The whole lot of them suck and aren't worth a damn.
Acceptance is the first step to recovery as they say.
Don't think I view other teams any different.

I don't think I would trade him. I like Jarnkrok. Liljegren absolutely better not be traded, he's got upside as well.

That what they think the other 31 teams are for. I mean with stars under contract like Kampfdump, mascot Reaves, LTIRobertson, Lillibust... I dont know how Treveling does it with all the call offering 1st he must get for them

Except one team is a playoff team and the other wasn't. Perhaps having better depth guys like Kampf and Jarnkrok helped the Leafs win more games than Pittsburgh did with inferior depth. For only having bad players and cap dumps, they seem to win a lot in the regular season.

Yeah because the regular season is when they get to play bad teams

Change Robertson to Niemela.

Crosby and his team won 3 cups by the time he was 30. Let me know when your "playoff team" with it's about to be 27 year old franchise player gets there son.
Clocks ticking.

The coach is the biggest reason for playoff failure.

Cool story. How are things these days though

better than they will be in TOR in 6 years when you still haven't won a cup and blown your core.