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Forum: Armchair-GM6 hours ago
Thread: Pure offence draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>kohnsharkosz</b></div><div>A first for Mailloux just smells like trolling to me. Wouldn't want him even if he was picked up off waivers.</div></div>

Nope ,just some fans high on his All Star Status as a Rookie in the AHL
Personally i see him as the perfect partner for Xhekaj long term as they dont need 22+ mins to make an impact playing their style
But if you need them to play top pair minutes they'd both be capable.

Plus a 6'4 and 6'3 pairing who have great chemistry and lead a bottom feeding team to a 12-2-3 run until Xhekaj was recalled (then they began losing again)
Mailloux isnt worth trading from MTL's POV after all they crap they took to develop him , they want to be part of his success story and will sell many others first.

Its just some of our Fans are projecting his worth based on what his value could or might be in 3-4 years time when he's established.
They see us doing it with Reinbacher and think that because Mailloux played better then Reinbacher last year that somehow that means he's equal to him despite being older.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Thread: Pure offence draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caufield</b></div><div>Realistically who? Jiricek, Elick? Taking Mailloux 8 days out of 7 over those 2. Buium, Yak are 95% certain that they are gone. Trade only makes sense if MTL wants to trade Mailloux for a forward, which I don't think is the intention. As for SJ, depends on if they just wanna take a forward, which might be their best bet at 14 honestly, and go all out on D next year.</div></div>

Silayev is a LD that plays RD exclusively , actually on Captain Konyskin's team behind our Top Russian 22 year old Prospect
Levushunov is going top 5 for sure so Silayev lasts to 7th or 8th tops.
Yakemchuk is Alexi Emelin 2.0 with Predatory hits and asswhoppings for laying them so he'll be available as there's actual skilled players left on the board.
Its why D rankings from all sources ranking Russians or Canadians or Americans higher in their top 5 but Yakemchuk is listed top 5 on many of their lists consistently.
The only one ranked more consistently is Levshunov as #1 D in the draft followed by Yakemchuk at #5

Buuium jumping up in the top 5 was a shocked as Mid season he was a 6th-7th guy tops for D prospects
But he finished by Beating out Hutsons NCAA Scoring record by 1 point in i think 4 more games as he captured a title and it put him over it seems at Parehk expense.
Dickinson is a Monster of a Man who's playing hockey still as he competes for a Memorial Cup Title playing 25+ minutes a night as a 17 year old who's arguably the Best Dman all around in Canada

There's so many options for D and the Left handers are better then the Right handers outside Levushnov
Its a pretty big gap in skill too between Lefty's and Righty's top 5 guys

Point im trying to make is Mailloux's better then any option not called Levshunov in this draft who's a Right handed Right D
That said Mailloux isnt getting that pick for the same reason by proxy as Forwards who should be top 10 are going to fall to that position as Newtons 3rd Law demands.
While i wouldnt Trade Mailloux at all i can say if i did that it would take more given i could land Eiserman there after he just broke Caufields Goal Scoring record i believe i heard.

TBH im not sure anyone 1 lone defensman we own gets us that pick this year given the market and the draft depth, but if he did it would be Guhle or Matheson
Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Thread: If Michkov comes over
You arent wrong
That said SKA St Petersberg a top 5 team in the KHL pretty much every years without fail.
They chose not to use their drafted pick Michkov more then a single game loaning him to the ARZ Coyotes of the KHL in HK Sochi
Im not convinced he'll be able to make the Jump straight to the NHL if he had 5 Russians and a Russian Coach.
I think either way he starts in the AHL and works his way up cause his game is 100% purely offense alone and nothing else.
No Standout Size or Speed or Defensive Prowess. Cant even call him a Special Teams Players as he's never seen a PK unit as the coaches dont trust him there

Only way i see him making the jump directly is if he was traded to the NYR and Breadman mentored him or to TBL with Kucherov doing the same.
They will assure he pushes himself to levels he's just flat out chosen not to up to this point in time.
If you're an Offensive Stud who cant play Defense and you got size its fine but when you weigh at much as many Female Hockey Players and few mens, thats an issue
If he had the speed and willingness to back check to cover his mistakes he woulda been on his draft club instead of loaned out to a rival they didnt take seriously (for good reason)

Michkov joins the Flyers playing their style at his size and he'll get Lindros'd before he gets a chance to shine
Forum: Armchair-GM10 hours ago
Thread: California Dreaming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>To be fair, Anaheim should be adding to their D via FA, and the 1st would be top-10 protected. If they end up losing a top-10 pick the following year, then they got some serious problems there. That being said, I don't think ANA is cracking top-3 in the division anytime soon, so they are likely trying to pry away a WC spot from one of LA/NSH (for example) along with teams like Minn, STL, Sea, and Uth. Still don't want to be giving up Zegras + a 11-15th OV pick +Lacombe for Marner. So, likely need a conditional 2nd instead.

I won't say Anaheim shouldn't consider getting Marner depending on the cost of acquisition and how much it costs to retain Marner. If they have to give up Zegras, anything after him shouldn't be a prime asset (save a late 1st). Zegras is a buy-low candidate but I think he's easily worth 2.5-3 1sts. I also think Marner is a buy-low candidate because there are a few loops to get by before Toronto can trade him for max value (probably paying his bonus + NMC + signing him + finding a partner that will pay up). He could still possibly fetch 4 1sts, so I would put his value at 2.5-4.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GMBL</b></div><div>To be fair, Anaheim should be adding to their D via FA, and the 1st would be top-10 protected. If they end up losing a top-10 pick the following year, then they got some serious problems there. That being said, I don't think ANA is cracking top-3 in the division anytime soon, so they are likely trying to pry away a WC spot from one of LA/NSH (for example) along with teams like Minn, STL, Sea, and Uth. Still don't want to be giving up Zegras + a 11-15th OV pick +Lacombe for Marner. So, likely need a conditional 2nd instead.

I won't say Anaheim shouldn't consider getting Marner depending on the cost of acquisition and how much it costs to retain Marner. If they have to give up Zegras, anything after him shouldn't be a prime asset (save a late 1st). Zegras is a buy-low candidate but I think he's easily worth 2.5-3 1sts. I also think Marner is a buy-low candidate because there are a few loops to get by before Toronto can trade him for max value (probably paying his bonus + NMC + signing him + finding a partner that will pay up). He could still possibly fetch 4 1sts, so I would put his value at 2.5-4.</div></div>

Quick , name me the last five players to get 4 first round picks in a trade.
I mean 2.5-3 was unbelievable but 4 hahahaha , i mean c'mon that dont happen
To my knowledge Wayne Gretzky's the only one a team gave up 3 first rounders ++ for .

Its 2 first rounders and a conditional that rarely works out that is a realistic ceiling but even then there is variable factors
But very very rarely does 3 first rounders happen and Gretzky himself fresh off a half dozen cups couldnt either.(and that was back when picks were traded at less value then today)
To throw around "3 and 4 first round picks" like its nothing is the only thing in your entire post i found to be Ignorant, The rest was rath insightful really.
The bigger the start the bigger the package gets for this reason as a rule cause this isnt basketball and no one gifts away four 1st round picks ever, for any reason in hockey

Marner will get 2 first rounders tops because of his Salary and thats with Double RS
Why? No teams have that kinda cap to spare that Marner would waive his NMC to
That limits the market greatly which is why TML will trade him for 1st , a 2nd or two and a player after RS 1 time and taking back a contract.
Honestly TML's easiest cop out is to target PLD and LAK 1st in 2024 and a later pick or PLD , conditional 1st in 2025 and Kaliyev deals that require 0% RS and are just done and over with ASAP.
Why? Its a team i could see him fitting into right away as they dont need him to be the Hometown Messiah just better then PLD which at MM lowest he's always been

Could he get more ? for sure if TML RS and paid someone to RS they could get more future's with lesser quality players limiting their ability to make other moves.
Or they could trade for Futures and Players who could be a great fit for TML and are young still.
But very rarely does a contender give away all their future assets for 1 player handcuffing their team from making further moves and being competitive
There's ever example since the dawn of the NHL Draft that says 3-4 NHL 1st round picks is a once in 50 years type of move and Marner nor Zegras are Gretzky
Forum: Armchair-GM20 hours ago
Thread: California Dreaming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>Let's be honest, if Marner went to Anaheim, he wouldn't be a rental. Trading for him without a contract negotiated ahead of time makes zero sense.

So it would be assumed that Marner gets extended her.</div></div>

ANA with a top 3 pick isnt that far out.
Levshunov is NHL Ready now and likely to fall to 3rd
IF that happens ANA is sitting pretty with good Goaltending both in the Mentor and Apprentice.
They'll have Defensive Depth again like 2015 and their forward core is pretty stacked.

Swapping Zegras for Marner being seen as an upgrade is the weird one for me.
Marner's been in a sweetheart position for years while Zegras has been trying to help lead a rebuilding team with Terry and Silvferberg
If Levushunov is gone then they get Lindstrom i believe he'll be brought to the NHL to work on Training and Conditioning with Pro's at the NHL level.
I'd have said he's NHL ready also but i dont know the updated status on his injuries right now

Either way ANA isnt making any moves like this until the draft is done
Forum: Armchair-GM21 hours ago
Thread: California Dreaming
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>Certainly dreaming

We aren’t giving up anywhere near that for a Marner rental</div></div>

I think take Zegras out completely , just cause TML crapped the bed overpaying players who no show after March doesnt mean ANA has to
Replace the 2nd with a prospect unless he's agreeing to a sign and trade then the 3 picks listed makes sense and add Max Jones.
That would make sense IF Marner cap matched Zegras and ANA wasnt taking on 11m.
Either way if he wanted to stay or was willing to play in ANA then be shipped to a contender of his choice at the TDL they could then make a slight profit.

If we're being honest though neither scenario seems likely.
PLD for Marner, sure but then TML is faced with making it work with PLD or buying him out later on
Really Marner for Benn makes the most sense as if DAL wins or loses i just dont think Benn gets re-signed with the depth they got , same as Marner.
Benn is older and his years of 800+ points are long gone but he's scored 50+ goals the last 2 seasons and played 31 playoff games so far with 6 goals and 19 points
Less points then Marner come playoffs but he's basically only been Division ,Conference leaders and Stanley Cup Finalist in the last 5 years as Points isnt his only contribution unlikes with Marner.


Im just saying i know Benn is worth less then Marner so it wouldnt be 1 for 1
But Benn IMO come playoffs is the piece TML need to compete at a level they simply are not.
Give them Robertson in the exchange as re-uniting brothers is something all teams like doing , its marketable.
Take back a lesser pick in the exchange and justify it you needed this boost to Leadership to help drag TML past the fabled dream of making a 2nd round and focus on Winning a Cup
Cause i think Benn, Tavares, Matthews,Nylander ,Reilly is a solve top 5 to lead but i think TML is now faced with Goaltending issues to fix to ensure their success as Samsonov is the best UFA goalie.

Plus i could see both Marner and Benn waiving their NMC in the final year before their next big contract.
Both have the chance to leave their teams better off and have their legacy in that city remembered for it , or the chance to.
For example Plekky agreed to go to TML rather then make a stink about it like Josh Gorges.
Now how he's remembered for at that time when he was winding down in MTL but declining as he aged. What he's remembered for is for giving us Kulak and by Proxy Lane Hutson
Robertson can be that for DAL and that pick could be that for TML if they draft well like MTL did


Point is there's upsides all around in DAL and TML making a deal.
Few Downsides really
Forum: Armchair-GM21 hours ago
Thread: Holtz to Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>Not gonna argue with you, you would make this trade, I wouldn't. We have both outlined our reasons, neither is more valid than the other, it is just my personal opinion that Holtz is not a big enough prize to retain on Anderson, add Dvorak and also a 1st. I think for the deal to work they are going to have to take Anderson at full cap hit, drop Dvorak or switch the 1st to a 2nd.</div></div>

Literally the opposite of what i said .
I explained 1+1=2 and you got offended by Math.

I said i wouldnt make this trade 999/1000 cause i like Anderson.
But Holtz is good and if Hughes making another Draft Day Deal using a Late 1st gets us another Newhook or Dach his history says he'll make that move regardless of is Andersons involved. Holtz is in a much better place then either Newhook or Dach and costs less then either did while moving out Cap and Term vs Buyout

All i did was cite logic and explain how Business works.
Doesnt mean i'd Trade Anderson normally as im the only fan on here including you who doesnt ever trade Anderson.
Last thing i'd do is use my 5th OA to move him out and pretend to be insightful.

9/10 posts i think you're pretty smart actually
On this one you cant get out of your own way.
RS slot doesnt matter if you're giving up 5th OA picks to do it like on your post . All to save and avoid giving up a 4th round draft pick to RS
Thats just counterintuitive argument like someone lobbying to pay Interest fee's level weird.

Reality is Hughes is linked to Holtz and the cost of Xhekaj included as a piece was too much for him.
I just dont get how you can argue he'd give away a 5th OA pick after tanking all year is an option
Its like paying a 5th OA for Holtz in any context makes no sense at all when Offer Sheeting him is Cheaper

But either way im out
If you can build a trade worse then this one right after and call it good.
Clearly i wont be able to 1+1=2 this stuff with you this time around
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 4:32 p.m.
Thread: Couturier at half retained
I love Couturier , he's 1/2 NHL players to choose to stay and live here even after turning Pro.
That said i wouldnt pay a top 15 pick from the last couple years that already developed for him
He'll i wouldnt give up a CGY 1st rounder for him next year and i'd be scared to offer any pick of value.
IF i did it would be a Condition ridden pair of 3rds that could become a couple 1sts in 2026 and 2027 if Couturier hits certain marks and MTL makes a ECF with him playing 50% type clauses.
IF he hit the mark across the boards then PHI gets paid and MTL would get its value back

But we'd never consider more then two 3rds in case he does what we all suspect and stays on LTIR 50-60% of his remaining time in the NHL.
I mean you asking for what you are with his term when he has a full NMC is a bit surprising too.
It limits the ability to have competing offers therefore killing the market
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 4:19 p.m.
Thread: Holtz to Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>You are right about them being similar, however its only1 year longer, since he is not being bought out this year, but we would be retaining this year. It is 2.025 mil (8.1 mil total) vs 2.75 mil (8.25 mil total) but we lose our ability to retain on another player at the TDL which is the bigger cost.</div></div>

You're argument is 150k and a RS spot for 3 years?
We dont lose the ability to Sell , we just shouldnt be in that timeline
IF we need to the going rate is a 3rd or 4th round pick to RS on UFA's depending
Its pretty simple we have to pay to Sell many of our UFA's this TDL anyways
So yes this year it will cost us an extra middling pick in the draft of which we've acquired extra's
We'll just have to Parlay those to leverage the sale of pending UFA's this year is all.


Then it will be 2.75m x 2 years and 2.025m x 4 or an adjusted rate of 4,05m a year for 2 years.
Just because you dont seem to be getting the point , if it was 2.75m x 1 years and we waited 2 years to buy Anderson out at 4.33m it would give us 2.16m x 2 or 4.33m x 1 year adjusted.

In EVERY CONTEXT its cheaper cap wise to take 2.75m over the short term
Your arguing having a cap hit longer is better and im just flabbergasted
Its ok to not want to do it and say "i enjoy paying more and Credit Companies love me because of my accute attention to details and misunderstanding them"
But it doesnt change the facts of the Numbers, they are what they are.

As i said i'd rather keep Anderson but this deal makes too much sense to argue for keeping that WPG pick i dont want to trade.
If it was anyone but Holtz i'd likely have stuck to no despite it being cheaper as i like Anderson and think he'll rebound personally.
But none of that changes the Math, it doesnt care what anyone thinks as its a Constant and we're the Variables.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 3:09 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:56 p.m.
Thread: Holtz to Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>The Dvorak piece was the biggest question mark for me. I don’t know if they have incentive to remove him from roster or not, but it fit, so I included him.</div></div>

We like Dvo as a person and his teammates do love him
But not since day 1 has anything went right for Dvorak here.
He remains a team guy who tries but you can tell in how Evans grew when he was on LTIR that its time.
Its sad cause he and Anderson played well together here and in junior but were rarely healthy at the same times
But maybe in NJD with the depth they got that will give Dvo what he needs and Anderson might succeed more on a deeper team like when he first arrived here before the rebuild started

Its a deal that fits our needs and yours
Kinda Rare on here.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 2:46 p.m.
Thread: Holtz to Habs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>It’s a swap of 4th liners. Bastian takes NAK spot. I had seen a few weeks ago that Caps may move Beck. And other caps fans had mentioned a 3rd round pick likely gets it done. What do you think the price would be?</div></div>
Bastian is more consistent and the same age
It took Malenstyn until last year to his double digits for the first time , again at the same size and age with similar obstacles.
Sure he scored what 9 more points then Bastian but when the games on the line or when you're in the playoffs i think its Bastian &gt; Malenstyn IMO

Sure Malenstyn might continue his climb then resign rather then become a UFA
But its a lot of "What if's" to figure out that Bastian doesnt have

If it was me as a 3rd Party and you asked which i'd want on my team
Bastian &gt;Malenstyn
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 5:49 p.m.
Thread: cupping
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JamieG613</b></div><div>Trading for goalies is dumb, because they have almost no trade value. I'd rather sign a FA to tandem with Woll and sacrifice .005 Sv% and 0.05 in GAA than trade our best asset for Saros at 5M. You shouldn't spend more than ~6M on goalies in most cases

And why trade Robertson? He's a great scoring winger who's an RFA and cheap. Keep him</div></div>

Hows that worked so far?
Difference between a Cup and No cup for COL?
Trading for a Starting Goalie

But they had the Talent and Confidence in their ability to win as a Team with a Good Goalie.
I dont think TML are in the same position now that i think of it.
This feels more like the later stages of the Wendell Clark run in TML more than anything in hindsight.

Robertson Scored the same amount of Goals as Raphael Harvey Pinard in his 3rd years vs RHP 2nd year.
I like RHP i'd never hesitate to move him

Robertson is less productive then Engval, C.Brown, Mickayev and any number of players TML lost over the years
I dont get the reason behind TML hanging onto him unless its because of who his brother is .
We're talking Marian vs Marcel Hossa Not Mikko vs Saku Koivu or something like that.
TML get can better on Waivers at the first of most years after then NHL Camps are ending and Pre Season is starting
TBH Robertson should be upgraded but without a Good Goalie its all a moot point anyways
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 9:15 p.m.
Thread: Get JT and Marner to waive and we might be able to win
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>FireShanahanTrelivingKeefe</b></div><div>At 2.75 M a 60 point center has no use?
That is just dumb.</div></div>

NSH bought out Duchene and RS long term on Johansson
They got Oreilly who you're familiar with , Sissons Mccarron. and Jankowki breaking in Novak to jump to Center
3/4 have a 53% win rate with Jankowski for faceoff support and Cody Glass if he can ever stay healthy

They're looking for a Middlestadt middle 6 Center that they can Mentor as Glass is becoming less and less an option in that regard
Something like a Isaac Lindestrom or Ryan Poehling would work with a guy like Oreilly there leading with Sissons supporting him
Just look at what they did with McCarron together. He's Sober, Focused and Playing Big Physical Hockey while winning tons of Faceoffs
Sure someone younger will be better for sure but NSH isnt looking to spend a lot as Trotz is building around the usual suspects still in Forsberg,Josi and Saros
NSH is like that, they dont bail on their veterans too easily and if Cap allowed it i think Ekholm would still be in NSH most likely.


Tavares is a Great Fit for many teams who need that faceoff boost.
A Team like COL,BOS,WPG, or even the LAK in a deal for PLD could work
LAK would like an out long term on PLD who doesnt fit their coaches system too well
Tavares gives them a way to Compete in their window for Doughty and Kopitar
But really i think COL given the cap is 2.75 ,i think they'll pay the most for Tavares and he might be willing to go there.
WPG has some really good pieces and JT would have his first Elite Goalie to play infront of and the fit is right but WPG just blew their load on Monahan and Toffoli
BOS becomes a scary team with JT winning them all those faceoffs but i dont see them ponying up much.

There's also TBL who might be losing Stamkos due to cap reasons and FLA might be losing Reinhart
But NSH makes as much sense as MTL trading for a Defensman, BOS trading for a Goalie or TML acquiring Wingers
There isnt a need and their team isnt hampered by cap issues as they have 19m with 2 players they want to keep who might land 5 combined.
Even then 1/2 is likely not to be re-signed despite wanting him as he's in Askarov's way
Then 5 players to sign with 15m to do it and youth who will fill half those voids on ELC's.
Then they have 40m the next year with Fabro and Saros being the only 2 they'd want to re-sign that year

Cap isnt a worry hence buying out Duchene and RS on Johanson now
They're building a Hard Working , Gritty team who plays great defensive Hockey and has outstanding Goaltending.
They got some really good Winger Prospects and a Solid KHL Center Prospect too so its not a bad idea Transitioning them in