@jonh514 what about something like this (it might be a 2024 1st or conditions or whatever but basically Toffoli return+Vanacek to you, Evans+Montembault to us

that flames trade only happens if theres 10 minutes until deadline cutoff.

It’s an equivalent or better return than you got for Lindholm tbh.

Perfectly nice player, but I don’t believe Boston trades their first and if they do, it’s probably for someone they want to sign long term

MTL don’t consider since management are super high on Montembeault

me when i lie lol. lets not gaslight alright

Counter Allen + Evans vs Vanacek + Kyle Criscuolo + 3rd 2026 if Devils go to conference final

If you want you can have whatever late 2024 1st we get from the toffoli trade.

The 2025 draft class is much better tho.
Bahl=Bruz

If you want tho we can send you a cap dump in Vanacek, a 4th, and a nothing prospect that will never make the NHL if you like.

Interesting value proposed. I’m assuming that comes unretained on Allen. How much would I have to add to get that retained (trying to save cap space this year to avoid rollovers as much as possible)

2nd+Vanacek+Criscuolo for Allen (50%) and Evans?

Habs won’t trade Montembeault unless a major overpay. Here is some trade we woukd maybe consider :
Montembeault + third for Holtz
Montembeault + third for Casey
Montembeault + Winnipeg’s first for Mercer
Montembeault for 2024 first, 2025 second and third
Montembeault for Toffoli and 2024 first
Montembeault + Harris for Siegs and second

You’d think the front office have given him more as a UFA than 3 years x 3.1 mill if they valued him that highly.

You’re more than welcome to keep him at that price tho.

I’m of the opinion that money talks very loudly when it comes down to how teams value players

Gotta think Montreal and Calgary decline. Montreal doesn't really have any interest in moving Montembault and I don't see how that convinces them otherwise. Calgary probably gets an offer than better suits their needs.

I had previous discussions with a Montreal fan discussing a similar trade (I threw in Evans for a 3rd as well). If they decline that is more than understandable.

If Calgary gets more good for them. I’d argue personally this is equal to what they recieved for Lindholm, but I’d be happy to add a cap dump and some useless fluff to make it look prettier to the fans if they like

Bahl is a depth player he doesn't have much value. This isn't even close to what Lindholm got, plus you want retention

So you're telling me the 2025 draft class is way better than this years, so you send off your first for next year? what! no thanks lol ill take your no1 this year. and than you said if the flames dont like that they can take on viteks term, once again no thank you! thats your contract, and even if we take that lacklustre 4th and a "nothing prospect that will never make the nhl" we still have to move marky which we dont and have vladar inevitably moved at the deadline. and all together you cant say that trade is better then lindys when youre also getting max retention. so yes i do believe you tried to gaslight me...

It has less to do with it getting more (and equal to the Lindholm isn't all that relevant) and more what they're receiving. And future picks are generally worth less than ones in the upcoming draft (strength of draft, even if there's actual consensus there which there almost never is, doesn't matter all that much once you get to picks in the 20s). Bahl just doesn't seem like the prospect/young NHLer they'd want in return.

Lindholm got a late 2024 1st. Personally I’d rather have a 2025 1st considering it is a much better draft class, but I’d be happy to send a late 2024 first acquired by selling toffoli your way if you want.

Assuming you sell Hanifin regardless, you’ll be left with no LHD past this year. I would not be shocked if Calgary had a ton of interest in a 6 foot 6 NHL ready 23 year old dman with cost control. But again, I’d be happy to replace with a 2nd if you prefer a less NHL ready comp to Bruz.

If you want to take back a cap dump again as well I’m more than happy to send Vanacek your way as a comp for Kuzmenko.

And since you’d be taking back that cap dump from us of course I would be happy to give a 4th and a prospect that will likely never make the NHL.

A new trade offer that honestly I would prefer if you want a direct Lindholm comp

Late 2024 1st, 2nd, Vanacek, 4th, *insert whatever irrelevant prospect here*

After about pick 20 yes. But of course there’s no way you’d be recieving a pick that wasn’t lottery protected. So I figured I’d save you the hassle of a bunch of complicated conditions (you already have enough of that from the Monahan trade). Again as I’ve said more than happy to sub in a late 2024 1st.

If I was Calgary and had 0 even NHL quality LHD going into next year I’d probably be very interested in a 6 foot 6 NHL ready 23 year old. But again, more than happy to swap him out for whatever we can agree as equal value to a 2nd round pick.

Kuzmenko was a cap dump, if you want a roster player cap dump instead of a goalie cap dump I’m sure NJD could find some 3 way swap to get you one.

And again I’m happy to include the cap dump, 4th and nothing prospect if you like.

I’m happy to swap in a late 2024 1st for the 2025 1st. I’ll keep the pick from the better draft class.

I’m happy to keep bahl and swap in another asset, but Calgary doesn’t have any NHL ready LD for next year and they STRUGGLE to attract talent in free agency without overpaying.

FWIW, I've heard that the 2025 draft may be worse than the 2024 draft, but its your opinion here.

And Calgary has done fine attracting UFA LD? Thats how they got guys like Tanev and Zadorov in the first place. But Bahl still wouldn't be the kind of D they'd target.

They attracted all those assets when they were an up and coming team coming off a playoff appearance. Tkachuk, JG, Monahan, Hanifin, Andersson, Bennett, etc all in their early/mid 20s.

How many trade requests since then? How many guys turning down bigger money from calgary to play elsewhere?

Do you think players will be lining up now to join that boat anchor Huberdeau and Kadri to play in Calgary?

I can't think of a team that's a less desirable free agent destination right about now.

1. Jeremie poirier 2. you can argue hes a cap dump but thats for the canucks, the system they ran this year was not beneficial for his growth and similar to yegor, flames can actually develop a player to their full potential cough cough nj and putting holtz on the fourth line only proves my point. 3. literally no one is asking for him just keep him, if you really want to dump and dont lie you do, its in every single acgm team i see, at least take retention. youd be like the cab driver saying sorry to a child while he sits in his hospital bed. Dont reply to this youll be wasting your time typing up some stuff that i wont care for lol

Yep NJD totally hasn't develop Bratt Jack Nico Mercer Luke Nemec Marino Siegs etc etc.

If by developing Yegor you mean having openings in your top 6 and a career high shooting%, sure.

Yegor's defensive metrics are at an all time low but hey, he's shooting 20% now. Surely you have solved him

Call me if you get more than a 1st+Prospect or 1st+2nd or 1st+Young roster player (and by more I don't mean cap dumps)

Can we agree on

Vanacek + Clarke + Hämeenaho and a conditional 3rd in 2025 if the Devils go to the conference final?

Very tempting I'd have to think about it. Certainly fair value imo