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Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 1 at 6:53 p.m.
Thread: Rantanen trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aedoran</b></div><div>I think how much his next contract is going to play a big part in his return since it will take about half the league out of the picture</div></div>

It is the teams that are looking to exit their rebuilding phase, and don't have elite talent to make the push, I think the teams that make the most sense are Buffalo, Ottawa, Detroit, Columbus, Nashville, Montreal and Seattle. For return COL would likely look at blue chip prospects ready to contribute at NHL level, while carrying ELC cap hit, till example Benson, Edvinsson, Jiricek, Reinbacher. Other type of package I can see Rantanen being traded for is a package that includes top6 winger with term and team-friendly caphit (Tuch, Björkstrand, Batherson) along with several first round picks or prospects carrying equal value.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 21, 2023 at 2:51 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 21, 2023 at 12:24 a.m.
Thread: Colorado all in 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>No. to make the statement you made it's not. 'Colorados 2024 1st is far smaller value than STL 2019 1st.' Incorrect. We know the value of STL's, we don't know the value of COL's, other than that it can only be the same or more. If you meant that STL's 1st value wasn't known at the time of the trade that's a different thing altogether and even so we still don't know the value of COL's. I think I've given you all the reasoning you should need. It's an overpay by miles, and I've already told you I wouldn't trade for Lindholm, and given you the reasoning for that, and again you've altered what you stated. You asked what I would be willing to trade for him and I told you, I wouldn't trade for him at all. He simply isn't a realistic target imo.</div></div>

Well, thank you anyways for the feedback, I appreciate if someone is willing to spend their own time to give me feedback, whether I find it useful or not.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 20, 2023 at 11:51 p.m.
Thread: Colorado all in 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>No they weren't but it was the last pick of the draft so to compare it now and say Colorado's is far less in value is wrong. We can't know what it WILL be, we know what STL's was. The Avs pick can't possibly be of lower value. Whether they knew at the time or not is irrelevant. I hadn't even got as far as criticising those. Thanks for pointing out that stupidity as well yourself. You seem pretty upset that anyone should criticise your trades. Why? Kind of the point of it. Mine get criticised too and I'd argue they've been far closer to reality, but I don't get hung up on it much. Think I've already made it clear that I wouldn't trade for Lindholm. Calgary will want more than the Avs should give. Pretty simple that. Especially when there are guys they could probably acquire for far less in the way of assets (Kuznetsov for example).</div></div>

Trades are compared to what they were at the time of trade, not at the outcome. Buying lottery ticket is still an irrational decision, eventhough you would win it. Also I'm not upset at all that you criticize my proposal, I would just like to have some further reasoning. Also I didn't ask you tell a realistic trade proposal that would work, I asked to tell what is the maximum you would pay for Lindholm, whether CAL would accept or not.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 20, 2023 at 11:31 p.m.
Thread: Colorado all in 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>We have no idea on the value of the '24 1st yet, it's likely a higher pick, and yes it's a rental. That's before we add in the extra firsts and your under evaluation of Newhook. You can make the maths work for pretty much anything. IF a player signs this, IF a player does that. In REALITY however it's a rental. Therefore it's too much. I'd say it's too much even if not a rental. There's also the question of not whether the Avs CAN but whether they SHOULD, and there is no doubt in my mind and I think pretty much everyone else here other than yourself and Calgary fans that they shouldn't do this. Crazy!</div></div>

STL wasn't any more knowledgeable on the value of their '19 1st, however they were not considered to be contender unlike 23-24 COL. Also I don't think there is anything unrealistic about the calculations, you should criticize the decision to let Toews walk and the decision to trade Girard, since by those moves the space for Lindholm is created. Also if you are so eager to criticize my proposed trade for Lindholm, why won't you state what you would be willing to trade for him?
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 20, 2023 at 10:38 p.m.
Thread: Colorado all in 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TJTwolf</b></div><div>Mahoosive overpay for a rental. Which is what Lindholm would be in reality.</div></div>

Fringe 1C's are not cheap, remember what O'reilly fetched? He fetched 1st rounder which was predicted to be mid first round pick, disappointing low first round pick 2 seasons ago (Olausson), 2nd round pick (I don't think Newhook is worth more). At that point Thompson already had NHL games under his belt while Olausson has done pretty much nothing at AHL level. O'Reilly had more term than Lindholm, but Lindholm is at an extremely cheap cap hit for a contender looking to go all in. You should also consider that O'reilly was widely considered to be underpayment from STL and also contained 2 roster players.
Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 20, 2023 at 8:20 p.m.
Thread: Colorado all in 23-24
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>HockeyIsMyPassion61</b></div><div>Good luck, You've roughly $13,000,000 in salary cap this summer. I'm pretty sure that Sakic isn't signing one year deals. So that $13,000,000 will eat into the $25,000,000 for next year leaving the Avalanche with even less money to spend. Like i said good luck on the Elias lindholm front. Plus other teams have more to offer Calgary for Lindholm than Colorado.</div></div>

For the roster players only Mikkola, Byram, Meyers, Malgin and Eller are signings for the 23-24 season. Mikkola is a 3rd pairing D so 2x2 is the appropriate contract, since term isn't usually given to depth defensemen, Byram is signed for 4x2 bridge deal, and I don't think either of the camps want to have a long term deal at this point. Eller is an aging centerman, I don't think any teams are going to give him term. Malgin and Meyers are on prove it-type of deals, and they wouldn't even get much more if they were given more term, in my proposal Colorado has over 2,000,000 capspace, and some of it could be used to give Malgin and Meyers additional years. As for the Elias Lindholm, I don't think rebuilding teams are willing to offer as much for him as contending teams, as a fringe 1C signed for bit over 2M has far more value for contenders.