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Forum: Armchair-GM15 hours ago

Thread: Canes Shock Some By Keeping Pesce and Turbo Instead of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Is the thinking in Carolina that Guentzel is more likely to extend than Pesce? I would have guessed other way around.</div></div>

It's likely the case, yes, but IMO it depends on how they do against the Rangers. If they fail to get past them, I think it's more likely that they keep Guentzel to shake up the forward group some long-term.

Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: Canes Shock Some By Keeping Pesce and Turbo Instead of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I kinda disagree. Pesce may worth somewhat more than 5.25m but five year term for soon to be 30 year Dman.....that's dangerous. So many Dmen can fall of the cliff in theri early 30s.</div></div>

5 years is relatively mild for a UFA contract of a RHD of this caliber. Of course his play is likely to decline, but the reason you pay is to get at least 3 good seasons out of him.

Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: Canes Shock Some By Keeping Pesce and Turbo Instead of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>Again, the comparison makes no sense given how massively & differently the leagues are setup and run.
And again - lots of teams have lots of cap space next year; only difference is one of the teams changed cities, I guess.</div></div>

The difference is that nearly every other team that has the kind of cap space that Utah has is still in that rebuilding phase, while this new Utah team wants to transition out of it.

Forum: Armchair-GM18 hours ago

Thread: Canes Shock Some By Keeping Pesce and Turbo Instead of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MitchJr</b></div><div>Man City comparison makes no sense. Not sure you know anything about the EPL but there is no salary cap; completely different animal. All teams in the nhl can spend to the same amount as Utah and lots of teams will have lots of cap space</div></div>

I know there's a difference and I'm relatively familiar with the EPL. My point is that Utah is sitting on an absurd amount of cap space and draft capital because of the destitute prior ownership. They're primed to make a Man City-esque roster explosion, by NHL standards.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago

Thread: Canes Shock Some By Keeping Pesce and Turbo Instead of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>Pesce will get much better offers from other contenders.</div></div>

If the Leafs once again go barren league-minimum salaries for their bottom-6 and pairs, maybe I could see the Leafs doing it. I can't think of other contenders using cap space in such a manner unless the Utah ownership becomes the new Manchester City and just starts buying players to become a contender.

Forum: Armchair-GM19 hours ago

Thread: Canes Shock Some By Keeping Pesce and Turbo Instead of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jfkst1</b></div><div>Pesce will get much better UFA offers than that.</div></div>

I'm sure he will, but the key, at least IMO, is from what kind of quality of a team and roster. My contract is similar to the rumored extension offer this offseason from Carolina.

Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 1:27 a.m.

Thread: Utah Goes Man City On the Roster

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TMLBRIAN</b></div><div>Guenther has 35 pts in 45 games this year. I doubt he would be AHL bound.

But this would all be fun. This team could be very dangerous next year!</div></div>

I couldn't find his contract on the main roster and realized it was in the minors. Quickly fixed that!

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 23 at 4:14 p.m.

Thread: If Canes Keep Necas and Jarvis and Let Go of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ecupirate07</b></div><div>Duchene got bought put after putting up 56 points which is weird and Nashville got better. Don’t really want that guy on the team.</div></div>

Dallas also got much better with him on board. It might've just been a John Hynes issue in Nashville. Duchene also wouldn't be part of the leadership structure here.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 23 at 4:10 p.m.

Thread: If Canes Keep Necas and Jarvis and Let Go of Guentzel

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ecupirate07</b></div><div>Duchene at 1 million, yes

Duchene at 7 million, heck no

Chatty we know and is good in the system.</div></div>

Anybody is good at 1M, let's be real. This contract was more in the Orlov vein. Duchene would maybe get 5M/year on a 4 year contract.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 16 at 2:41 p.m.

Thread: Another Necas for RHD Trade

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>Canes fans will tell you how good necas is (in trades) and then argue how he's not worth that much (if they sign him)</div></div>

If I'm being honest, he's worth a lot in signing (around the Tippett rate) and trade. The Canes just have to be judicious about where to allocate cap next year considering the pending departures and retaining Guentzel+Jarvis. It's tough to pay Necas at the purest market value and not take a significant hit on defense. This trade solves that issue.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 16 at 12:59 p.m.

Thread: Moving up

Probably, if I'm being realistic, the asking price for Necas would be Mailloux, even if Carolina has to add to make it happen. A quality RHD with defensive capabilities that can replace Pesce long-term is something the Canes need to prioritize.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 16 at 12:57 p.m.

Thread: Fiala Comparison

Canes likely want a RHD, not a LHD, for Necas, if they trade him.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 1:09 p.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>No, he has played enough pro seasons to become a FA at the end of 2024-25. 1 year in the AHL + 5 NHL makes 6 so far, at the end of 2024-25 he will have played 7 pro seasons making him a UFA at age 26. The rule states 7 pro seasons <strong>or</strong> age 27 whichever comes first.

Edit***

What is a Group 6 UFA?

A player whose contract is expiring and meets all of the following conditions will become an unrestricted free agent (UFA):
The player is 25 years or older (as of June 30th of the calendar year the contract is expiring).
The player has completed 3 or more professional seasons - qualified by 11 or more professional games (for an 18/19 year old player), or 1 or more professional games (for a player aged 20 or older).
This can include NHL, minor league, and European professional league seasons played while under an SPC.The player has played less than 80 NHL games, or 28 NHL games of 30 minutes or greater for a goaltender.</div></div>

IIRC, there is a rule where Necas could play in the AHL and not have it count as a pro season. I think it actually was a slide year.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 11:36 a.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Campabee</b></div><div>He only has to file once, he will be a UFA next season. He has all the leverage</div></div>

No, he will be a UFA in 2 seasons, not 1.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 12:46 a.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>Teuvo only got 5 though.</div></div>

I could see the Canes and Necas agreeing to 5, actually. Necas would be able to get a large UFA deal at age 30 with something like that.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 12:23 a.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>Necas signs 8 years at not even a million a year more than KK?

Good luck lol.</div></div>

My comparison point on AAV was actually Teravainen. They are very comparable players from a production and positional standpoint at the time when Teravainen's extension was penned.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 15 at 12:07 a.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Brodie seems to hit the wall hard this season. Don't think he should be signed.</div></div>

Brodie is #2 in TOI for the Leafs at 21:44 per game. Brent Burns, our #1 TOI guy, only plays 21:39 a night. Reducing Brodie's workload to 20:17 a night (Pesce's current TOI, and our current #4) could increase his effectiveness. Brodie likely would slot behind Burns, Slavin, and Orlov in terms of minutes/game in this scenario.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 11:56 p.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Celtics21</b></div><div>I’d be surprised if Necas signs for 8 years at that low of a dollar figure. Why would he?</div></div>

Look above for the explanation. I don't know if Necas has as much leverage as he did in the past considering the poor faceoff numbers (which moves him further away from NHL clubs potentially viewing him as a top-2 centerman), and the usual hot-and-cold offense.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 11:55 p.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>Yeah but it still makes them even weaker and less depth on defense. The Canes really need to move one of those guys so that way they can allocate money more evenly.

Would Necas to CBJ for Provarov 50% retained, Boqvist, Dumais and a 3rd be interesting?</div></div>

I think the Canes would decline any Necas trade short of a for-sure top-4 RHD. Boqvist still has a ton of question marks.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 11:39 p.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>Not to mention it makes it very hard to retain Slavin next summer.</div></div>

Canes have Burns, Andersen, Orlov, and Kuznetsov coming off the books for Slavin's extension, and a Nikishin ELC coming in. They are just fine on that front, and even better off if Morrow surpasses expectations.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 14 at 11:36 p.m.

Thread: Keeping Necas-Jarvis-Guentzel Long-Term

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jacketsman61</b></div><div>Problem I see is the Canes are going to be significantly weaker on defense. Not sure this works. The Canes need to sign back one of Skeji or Pesce.</div></div>

Brodie is a decent buy-low here. If Chatfield can't handle top-4 minutes, Brodie can be a solid #4 in terms of TOI.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 6:42 p.m.

Thread: Necas for RHD

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RazorSeider53</b></div><div>I like Carlo, but I'm not sure why Carolina is adding, here.

RHD are more valuable than wingers, yeah. But Necas is a better player, IMO.</div></div>

Just an RHD tax, that's all.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 13 at 6:34 p.m.

Thread: Necas for RHD

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>lol. No. As we told WSH fans before the deadline, it'll cost you to get CHI to take on Kuzy's contract.</div></div>

This was a near-direct contract swap. You're only taking on 1.9M.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 12 at 4:29 p.m.

Thread: A Blockbuster Move in UFA for Veteran Leadership at D and F

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeneralLandro</b></div><div>That is a ton to trade for UFA rights man</div></div>

Severson received a 3rd from Columbus, I believe. I think Skjei+Pesce+Teravainen is worth something like 2nd+3rd+Pick Swap, especially if Utah wants to add the 8th year for cap purposes. Maybe it should be Florida's 2nd, but I don't think the value is that far off.

Forum: NHL SigningsApr. 11 at 5:11 p.m.

Thread: Vegas Golden Knights signed Noah Hanifin (8 Years / $7,350,000 AAV)

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Mantha and Stephenson yes

Marchessault no

Got a feeling they gonna move out someone's like Whitecloud to make it work. Also have Lehners LTIR money to work with</div></div>

It's possible that Vegas extends Mantha short-to-medium term instead of Marchessault. They like cycling their stars a bit in order to give them solid team depth.

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