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Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 7:33 p.m.

Thread: New Look Jackets-Locked and Loaded

Take away the 4th and leafs accept.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 7:32 p.m.

Thread: A keefe flair

Leafs aren't retaining on a Kampf deal. I don't even think he's available. The guy shows up in the playoffs. They'll keep him around.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 6:09 p.m.

Thread: Get JT and Marner to waive and we might be able to win

That's the solution. Let's see if Shanahan actually comes through.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 5:35 p.m.

Thread: Marner to Vegas

That's too much for Marner.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 5:32 p.m.

Thread: Off Season ReTool

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Synergy</b></div><div>But it is a 25-year-old centre for a 27-year-old winger. Pettersson being younger, a centre, and locked up long term (to a contract that will likely be less than Marner asks for) holds higher value.</div></div>

Who is giving Marner 11 million on the open market? I don't think that type of deal is out there unless a team overpays. The fact he only has 1 year left makes him tradeable. And Pettersson being locked up is a negative thing because he's proven he can't contribute when it matters. Which contender wants to allocate 11.6 million to a guy who disappears in May for the next 8 years?

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 5:15 p.m.

Thread: Off Season ReTool

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>mv21227</b></div><div>Pettersson has 18 points in 17 games in the bubble. He’s struggling this year because he’s playing injured and with linemates who can’t do anything offensively. Plus he’s still playing solid defensively. He’s not like Marner in the playoffs at all</div></div>

Leafs fans found excuses for Marner too. "He's great defensively." "He's shutting down Pasta." "He gets all the tough match ups." "He still has the most points."

Eye test never fails. Elias and Mitch just aren't cut out for playoff hockey.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 5:00 p.m.

Thread: Off Season ReTool

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>canucksfan43</b></div><div>Bruh its not fair</div></div>

It's playoff ghost for playoff ghost. It's fair in that sense.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 4:28 p.m.

Thread: Off Season ReTool

I think the trade is fair if Marner agrees to an extension but would he waive to play under Tocchet? Doubtful.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 4:15 p.m.

Thread: Summer of Brad

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jeuck75</b></div><div>But then doesn’t exist in the playoffs💀. He shouldn’t be getting paid Panarin money</div></div>

I agree. But some team will be tempted and overpay.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 4:13 p.m.

Thread: Summer of Brad

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jeuck75</b></div><div>What has Marner done to deserve a raise💀</div></div>

Cap is going up, he gets 90+ points every year. It's not a horrible contract, a slight overpay.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 3:29 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dunphy66</b></div><div>Who are you trying to add in the off season? There isn't that much available for the Leafs.

They're going to resign Domi. If they move on from Marner they might look at Bertuzzi. They still need a goalie, atleast two top 4 D and oh yeah, try to replace the giant gaping hole trading Marner left in their production.

They aren't signing;
Guentzel
Necas
Reinhart
Jarvis
Skeji

Who is it you're looking at that makes sense for a "cap dump" Marner deal?</div></div>

Toffoli
Stephenson
Lindholm
Joshua
Arvidsson
Duclair
Martinook

Good quality depth players who can move up the lineup.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 3:19 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dunphy66</b></div><div>It doesn't make him more valuable.

It allows a trade to happen to a contending team that would actually spend the assets to acquire a 10M RW rental coming off the worst playoff performance of the last decade from a superstar with a FULL NMC.

You are going to be one pissed off fan this summer.</div></div>

It's addition by subtraction at this point with Marner. I just want the Leafs to gain the cap space.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 3:12 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caerii</b></div><div>Understand that you don't have a choice, few teams can afford to take Marner on and still sign everyone else they want/need to. Fewer teams still will be in that position to take salary on AND be a contender that has interest in Marner (or a team Marner would waive for).

You will have to take salary back or you will have to retain if he's traded this summer. That's not something that's up for debate.</div></div>

I prefer they retain. Even 3 million, making him an 8 million dollar player next year and increasing his value. I hope Treliving gets creative with the trade.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 3:02 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caerii</b></div><div>Oh, my bad, third highest paid player in the league, as if that changes anything else I said</div></div>

It discredits everything you said.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:59 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dunphy66</b></div><div>Picks and prospects?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Why the **** would the Leafs be interested in PICKS AND PROSPECTS right now?

JFC, is every leaf fan just delusional?

Graves is not great, Jarry's contract isn't "unmovable"

The Leafs will not have alot of suitors. They'll have a few tire kickers, Vegas will be someone who's interested. Dallas maybe, Colorado maybe if they can move on from Val in the deal. That's the fkn list.

Can they trade him straight up for Theodore? Probably
They'd have to take the tire fire out of Colorado to move him there, good luck with that.

They have ZERO leverage. If Mitch doesn't want to go anywhere and gets pissy that they're trying to trade him AFTER HE "allegedly" REJECTED TWO OFFER SHEETS TO STAY IN TORONTO AND NOT FORCE THEM TO MATCH, he can WALK for NOTHING next summer, just like Johnny Hockey did.

Who was the GM that ****ed that up with Johnny Hockey anyway?

YEAH THE ****ING CLOWN SHANAHAN HIRED.</div></div>

Apparently Marner wants out. It's just about finding the right fit. And Leafs will take back picks and prospects because they want the cap space to go shopping in free agency. That's the best course of action imo. Taking back salary would be a bad idea.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:57 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SydBarrett</b></div><div>Weird because his metrics show he's top pairing. His usage is top pairing. And he would be the best D on the leafs.
I'm guessing you must be confusing him for someone else</div></div>

Being the best defenceman on the Leafs is not a high bar. He probably would be. But that doesn't make him a top 2 defenceman.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:56 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caerii</b></div><div>Get ready to retain big time then, or take on a cap dump. Very few teams are actually interested in taking on an 11M winger that's going to ask to be the highest paid player in the league in order to sign an extension.</div></div>

Marner won't ask for more than 12 million, which is still a lot, but he's not demanding to be the highest paid player in the league. He's not that delusional.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:54 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SydBarrett</b></div><div>Since when was petterson only top four and not top two? since when are high 1sts now called "mid round picks" , and since when is the goalie tied for league lead in shutouts average?</div></div>

Petterson is not a top 2 defenceman lol. And Pens are still competing for a cup and for a playoff spot so their future 1sts don't hold that much value. They'll probably be picking in the 13-20 range next year.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:52 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Imagine874859</b></div><div>Mid round picks? Those are lottery picks as of now. We wouldnt even do MP28 straight up. Not to mention Marner is expiring and has a NMC which makes him even tougher to move. Look at what Jake got. Marner isnt THAT much better than Jake. He wont return even close to what the trade proposed here is.</div></div>

Any trade involving Marner will be a sign and trade. Otherwise Leafs will probably just hold onto him and let him walk next year. And this is not a deadline deal, many teams will be in the equation so the return will be bigger than the Guentzel deal.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:49 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Dunphy66</b></div><div>This doesn't matter.

He has a full NMC and his a pending UFA with a MASSIVE cap hit.

The only teams kicking tires on him, are contenders or teams on the cusp of contending.

The Penguins traded an elite left winger, in his prime, at a much more manageable cap hit, and didn't get a top 4 D back.

The leafs need a goaltender and they need probably two top 4 D.

The penguins are not a fit for Marner, but if they were to make a trade, it's Jarry + Graves for Marner and no kicker.</div></div>

Pens don't have the picks and prospects to go big game hunting. And Marner is big game this offseason. A lot of teams will try to trade for him. The only question is where does he want to play? It's going to come down to him, and that's why any return won't be big. But for the Leafs the best thing they can get would be the cap space. Graves and Jerry are bad contracts, they're not movable assets.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:38 p.m.

Thread: Marner for G

That's not enough for Marner. Flames would have to add a 1st.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:04 p.m.

Thread: MARNER TRADE UPDATED

So the trade is basically Marner for Kempe?

That's not enough for the Leafs.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:02 p.m.

Thread: Marner

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Imagine874859</b></div><div>You'd be very stupid to not take this deal but that's cool with me. Makes it easier on our end, we wouldnt do it either.</div></div>

2 mid round picks, an average goalie, and a top 4 left shot isn't enough for an elite right winger who's in his prime.

Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 1:52 p.m.

Thread: Marner

No.

Pens just don't have the assets for a Marner deal.

Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 10:00 p.m.

Thread: Marner To Nashville But Not For Saros

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>TheresAlwaysNextYear</b></div><div>I doubt Nashville trades Novak right after extending him</div></div>

If Marner is available and willing to sign an extension they would have no problem trading him.

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