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Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 6:48 p.m.
Thread: Another Marner Deal
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nativewulf</b></div><div>I've got time today, so I'll play your game.

Let's just cross off the Atlantic division, because none of the Leafs rivals are going to pay an in-division trade price for Marner
Doubt he waives for Columbus
Doubt he waives for the Flyers
Doubt he waives for the Isles
Rangers don't need more wingers
Devils don't need another high end forward
Doubt he waives for the Penguins
Doubt he waives for the Capitals
Maybe the Hurricanes but they have to pay Necas and Jarvis and Marner is the exact opposite of what they need because they need guys who perform in the playoffs</div></div>

Every team will do their due diligence and try to make a Marner trade work you don’t get these type of players available. Stop with the narrative teams won’t make this work when every team that has a chance at attaining Marner will make it work. There will be loads of teams gunning for Marner if he is available. East or west.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 2:16 p.m.
Thread: Leafs Get Berube And Trade Marner
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>nativewulf</b></div><div>Toronto fans need to come back to reality. You won't get a package like that for Marner, it just won't happen. Extension or not. Look at the Jack Eichel trade as that's the most recent comparable.

Marner is a great player and worth a lot to any franchise, but in a trade for a player of his caliber you never get something like this. Especially with how Toronto has ruined his value with their ineptitude in the playoffs, and Marner's own inability to be anything other than just okay in the postseason. And I'd be stunned if Marner gets signed to an extension if he is traded. His agent is Darren Ferris who likes to get his guys to free agency to cash in. So whoever trades for him would most likely be doing it as a rental, with the expectation they would try and resign if possible, but look at his other client, Sam Bennett. Great year in Florida, a great fit, but still going to free agency by the looks of it.

You'll get an NHL veteran who's ready to play, a high upside prospect, and couple of picks in a package, and Toronto fans will berate their management for the poor return, but the truth is this guy just doesn't have the value you think he does.</div></div>

I’d point to the Erik Karlsson trade to SJ for a comparable. Ottawa got back 3 Young players with some experience, B+ prospect (Norris), 2nd rounder and a 1st.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 13 at 4:34 p.m.
Thread: Berube At The Helm
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>tryger</b></div><div>His best interest is to pump up his numbers and score 100 points to justify a $12M pay day,

Marner already made the best move by saying he wants to stay in Toronto, which means Toronto has to open up negotiations show they are at an impasse and ask if he's willing to move. Then you allow his agent to ask for the best sign and trades from his selected teams, once he has the contract he wants, then Toronto can ask. But at this point the player is public in wanting to be gone, the other team has Toronto over a barrel, and Toronto has to expedite the move to have the necessary cap for free agency.</div></div>

What about this scenario? They leak to the media he is unwilling to take a pay cut over the summer, however much they actually negotiate, which will rile up Leafs nation against him (again), and then they take him off PP1 and start him on the 3rd line and see how much that does for his numbers. Given that the odds are high that he fills his diaper in the playoffs again next year, he will be no more attractive a UFA in May 2025 when the Leafs are out in the first or second round than he is now. Maybe a few weeks of that gets him to move in the fall, if not in the off season.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 11:55 a.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 10 at 7:26 p.m.
Thread: A New Plan Based On Chemistry And Unity
I would take that Isles trade which makes me think you're severely undervaluing Marner here.

I also get what you're going for here, but I think you're still way too top-heavy. You have Ryan Reaves &amp; Chris Tierney playing every night on the 4th line, and with a 20 man roster, you're putting a lot of faith in some guys with heavy miles on them staying healthy. Tanev's 34, Marchessault's 33, Pageau, Schwartz, &amp; Oleksiak are 31, and while Pulock is only 30 on Opening Night, he's missed 20+ games with injury in 2 of the past 3 seasons.

I think there's a middle ground where you maybe send out Marner for some solid if not spectacular roster pieces and pass on Tanev and Marchessault - treat 2024-25 as more of a transitional year where you try and retool instead of trying to rebuild a ship that's currently sinking (to mix some metaphors.) Sign an RD2 like Dumba for $2-3M, let Schwartz be LW2 and sign a 3rd liner for $2-3M, keep some cash in reserve to add at the deadline if the guys put everything together. Then next summer you're losing JT's $11M and hopefully seeing another small bump in that cap - NOW you do the full overhaul.