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Forum: Armchair-GM22 hours ago
Thread: At draft
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>If Dach for #13/#66 was fair…how does one see Holtz for #9/5th as unfair?

What if it was Holtz for #13/#66?</div></div>

Because I don't value the difference between 9th and the 13th the same as you do I guess BUT especially not in this draft particularly. Dach at the time of trade was worth more than Holtz is now IMHO. Also I would MUCH rather have the 9ov and the 5th round in this draft vs the 13ov and 66th in 2022. Again opinion based but no different/valid than yours.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>Dach for #13 was reasonable
Holtz for #9 is unfathomable

Not many people (outside of Montreal) will agree on both.</div></div>

Without hindsight? I think plenty would agree. Go look at the comments from that Dach trade thread. Plenty of non MTL fans agreeing on value. I think you need to remove the past two years of Dach data if we're judging both players fairly. Then by contrast, how many on here would would agree to Holtz for 9th this year? I think you'd be surprised how little support you'd find. Also, there is a chasm between Markstrom for Holtz and 9ov for Holtz IMHO.

You really can't ignore context here though, are all drafts the same? No and people will value pick's in certain drafts more than others. Also position plays a factor here. Skilled but less physical scoring winger vs big mobile playmaking center? I know who im picking. Others can disagree, there is no right answer here without knowing how their careers play out.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>I don’t think we could get to 9 from holtz without adding, but I find it hilarious how skewed perception is for any player who’s rights are currently owned by MTL</div></div>

I mean you even said you don't think Holtz can get the 9th+5th without adding so what are we debating here? Dach was worth the 13ov+66th obviously by the fact the trade actually happened. I don't think anyone is skewing anything. At the end of the day, it will always be speculative and opinion based.

So its not just fans thinking he was, Habs mgmt did too. Nothing skewed there. Since we don't know for a fact what Holtz is worth we're going to have to speculate obviously. It doesn't mean my opinion is skewed. If Holtz is traded tomorrow for the 9th, I'll eat my words. I just don't think he will be. I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

Also don't do the CF thing of thinking someone automatically thinks the extreme the other way because they disagree. I don't think Holtz is worth 9th but i also don't think he is worth 29th either as a result. I couldn't <em>fathom</em> Holtz landing the 9th only. Start decreasing the value a little and it becomes more <strong>reasonable</strong>. Seeing as you think Holtz isn't worth the 9th without adding, it seems we're not even disagreeing here. You just don't like the words I used like "fathom" and "reasonable" it seems.
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 2:51 p.m.
Thread: nerves before game 4
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>Briere, Drury, Eichel. Besides, no matter how good he is, they arent sacrificing half the roster to facilitate his contract extension. Is everyone forgetting Dahlins cap hit is 11 mill starting next year? Along with Power, Thompson, Cozens, and Skinner making up over 50% of the cap, with UPL getting a contract, then Byram, Quinn, Peterka, and Levi needing one next year. Everyone sees the problem Toronto ran into</div></div>

I think Skinner may have to be a BO candidate eventually if no trade can be done which will alleviate some needed cap but a bunch of the guys you mentioned won't make more than what, 4-6M on their next contracts anyway... not sure what the issue will be? Oh i should say that I'm only taking Rantenen into account, not Colton who either can be moved in a separate deal or not included outright.

Either way, Im not going to force adding Rantenan on anyone. If your not interested, someone else will be. 100%
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 2:11 p.m.
Thread: nerves before game 4
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shibbal18</b></div><div>They arent giving that up for an assumption</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sabres89</b></div><div>It's light if he's extended. It's more than I would pay for a rental.</div></div>

Rantenen wouldn't be traded just as a rental........ any team trading for him is trying to extend him also....... the price to acquire him regardless of extension or not would be so high either way that you would have to want to get an extension signed also. They'd already have an idea of the $ needed to get him to commit and if whether he'd even resign with you to begin with.

Lets be honest guys, Rantenen isn't signing in Buffalo unless they're ready to commit to making him the highest paid winger in the league and he was solely looking to cash in the highest offer. (I doubt it on both fronts)
Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 1:24 p.m.