But even if it does occur, there is very little to suggest 10th overall pick would be involved.
1. There is no "extended Ullmark" option before draft. The earliest he can sign extension is July 1, 2024, three days after the draft. Before July 1, 2024: Sweeney may speak with him about contracts, but may not extend him. Other teams may not speak with Ullmark. (The draft is on June 28-29, 2024). Between July 1, 2024 and July 1, 2025, Sweeney may extend Ullmark, Sweeney may grant permission to other teams to talk to Ullmark, but other teams cannot extend Ullmark. After July 1, 2025: Ullmark becomes free agent and other teams may sign him.
2. There is no "sign and trade" scenario. First, see #1 why it cannot happen before draft. Second, the minute he signs an extension, he is likely to get NMC, which would give him much more control of where he will play. The only window for sign-and-trade would be after 2024-25 season, before free agency.
3. We know that, at deadline, Fitzy asked about Swayman (was told no obviously). But it may indicate Fitzy didn’t like Ullmark, or Ullmark didn’t like Devils.
4. Ullmark blocked a trade to New Jersey in March. (link: https://ottawacitizen.com/ottawa-senators/senators-will-likely-take-another-run-at-ullmark). Players submit lists of of teams for Modified No Trade Clauses in July. Whatever teams were on his list in March will still be on his list in June. So even if Ullmark were to change his list, it would not be done before draft.
5. Fitzgerald’s comments indicate he wants goalie with term. He has said in recent days he wants played for "tomorrow and wherever the controllable future"
6. Fitzgerald's comments also indicate he is aiming for younger goalie: "I’m more than willing to move the pick for the right asset. One that we control, one that’s probably in the same demographic as our team — maybe not 23, 24 years old but somebody we control for a few years.“
7. Until Swayman is actually extended, I don’t believe Ullmark goes in the block. If contract negotiations run longer (ie, goes into Arb period in July) there is a chance an Ullmark trade never happens just based on timing.
8. We seen a lot of chatter about NJD and other goalies (Markstrom, Saros, etc) but very little about Ullmark and NJD. It’s mostly fan speculation.
9. The number of goalies that have been traded alone for top-20 picks in NHL could be counted on your thumbs. Neither were rentals.
-- 1971 (#10): Pete McDuffe
-- 2013 (#9): Cory Schnieder
There are others that have been in packages, but still but many
-- 1973 (#10): Bernie Parent, 2nd
-- 1982 (#9): Don Edwards, Richie Dunn
-- 1984 (#8): Rick Walmsley, two 2nds, 3rd
-- 1987 (#15): Dale Hunter, Clint Malarchuk
-- 1993 (#14): Ron Hextall, 1st (#23) (with Mark Fitzpatrick)
-- 1999 (#4): Dan Cloutier, Niklas Sundstrom, 2000 1st, 2000 3rd
-- 2000 (#4): Kevin Weekes, Kristian Kudroc, 2nd (with 4th, 7th)
-- 2002 (#20): Ron Tugnutt, 2nd
-- 2007 (#13): Vesa Toskala, Mark Bell (with 2nd, 4th)
-- 2017 (#7): Antti Raanta, Derek Stepan (with DeAngelo)
IMO isn't ]Ullmark to traded. It's almost like the Marner situation. CF fans just because a player is one year away from UFA, he HAS to be traded. Maybe the Bruins should be traded Marchand too
Ullmark can change his "trade list" with Bruins approval at any time. Ullmark may want to be traded (to a good team) but that certainly doesn't mean a good team what give up THAT much for him as there are limited suitors for Ullmark.. Bruins just might feel that freeing up 4m 5m (Ullmark minus his 1m replacement) in cap to resign another player is the real benefit.
I don’t think Ullmark nixed a NJ trade I think Sweeney said no Ullmark definitely derailed an LA deal though didn’t want to move west
I’ll start this off by saying anyone that believes that NJD are going to trade the #10’ for Ullmark without other considerations is unrealisiic. Just like anyone who believes that Boston is trading Swayman for #10 in this draft is also. Both are based on woefully optimistic fans hopes.
That said, this poster:
1. Points to an article by Bruce Garrioch as proof that Ullmark said no to a NJ deal
Same reporter also said that it would take Chychrun, the Boston 2024 first, and other considerations to get a Ullmark deal done, which people on both sides are openly mocking.
Despite comments on his credibility since the old ownership left by Ottawa fans, I’m quite fascinated that he broke the story of the Boston - NJ deal over national pundits and local journalists. Ottawa fans should be proud of how good a local reporter is.
2. Conveniently disregards that national reporter, Pierre Lebrun, stated that Markstrom and Ullmark were the NJD’s top 2 choices after the press conference where he mentioned the term control once in a fairly innocuous statement.
On a side note. Can Boston give permission to a team to talk to Ullmark and his reps if they are on his NTC to try and convince him to waive? I’ve made the assumption the answer is yes. They obviously can’t formally discuss an extension for tampering rules.
I’ll start this off by saying anyone that believes that NJD are going to trade the #10’ for Ullmark without other considerations is unrealisiic. Just like anyone who believes that Boston is trading Swayman for #10 in this draft is also. Both are based on woefully optimistic fans hopes.
That said, this poster:
1. Points to an article by Bruce Garrioch as proof that Ullmark said no to a NJ deal
Same reporter also said that it would take Chychrun, the Boston 2024 first, and other considerations to get a Ullmark deal done, which people on both sides are openly mocking.
Despite comments on his credibility since the old ownership left by Ottawa fans, I’m quite fascinated that he broke the story of the Boston - NJ deal over national pundits and local journalists. Ottawa fans should be proud of how good a local reporter is.
2. Conveniently disregards that national reporter, Pierre Lebrun, stated that Markstrom and Ullmark were the NJD’s top 2 choices after the press conference where he mentioned the term control once in a fairly innocuous statement.
On a side note. Can Boston give permission to a team to talk to Ullmark and his reps if they are on his NTC to try and convince him to waive? I’ve made the assumption the answer is yes. They obviously can’t formally discuss an extension for tampering rules.
My biggest concern with the validity of the article, and this is the same as the Markstrom won’t waive to LAK one in that Kypreos article, is how it’s not even thrown in as a scoop from his sources.
And how it hasn’t been really picked up anywhere.
They both threw it in there like it was well known, for pieces that no other reports had mentioned before.
My biggest concern with the validity of the article, and this is the same as the Markstrom won’t waive to LAK one in that Kypreos article, is how it’s not even thrown in as a scoop from his sources.
And how it hasn’t been really picked up anywhere.
They both threw it in there like it was well known, for pieces that no other reports had mentioned before.
That’s journalism 2024. It’s click bait and accuracy isn’t a consideration. Friedman is the most credible. The next ones are probably LeBrun, Seravelli, Weekes, Johnston. Probably missing someone, but I read that article and basically dismissed it.
Ottawa is not trading Chychrun and a 2024 Boston 1st for Ullmark. All the reports are that Ullmark wants an eastern time zone team with easy travel to Sweden and a competitive team. My guess is with those parameters that Jersey wouldn’t be on his NTC list and blocked.
I’m curious about a few things?
1. When did Ullmark set his current NTC and when can he change it?
2. When can the Bruins let another team talk to him if he has them on his NTC?
That’s journalism 2024. It’s click bait and accuracy isn’t a consideration. Friedman is the most credible. The next ones are probably LeBrun, Seravelli, Weekes, Johnston. Probably missing someone, but I read that article and basically dismissed it.
Ottawa is not trading Chychrun and a 2024 Boston 1st for Ullmark. All the reports are that Ullmark wants an eastern time zone team with easy travel to Sweden and a competitive team. My guess is with those parameters that Jersey wouldn’t be on his NTC list and blocked.
I’m curious about a few things?
1. When did Ullmark set his current NTC and when can he change it?
2. When can the Bruins let another team talk to him if he has them on his NTC?
Ullmarks NTC is set again on July 1st. I’m not sure how it works for NTCs that don’t change in size, if they submit once or every year, but Ullmarks goes from 16 to 15 so he’ll be changing it fs.
Ullmark with the bruins permission can talk to any team post June 1st, whether they are on his NTC or not. But not entirely sure why he would want to talk to a team on his NTC.
Ullmarks NTC is set again on July 1st. I’m not sure how it works for NTCs that don’t change in size, if they submit once or every year, but Ullmarks goes from 16 to 15 so he’ll be changing it fs.
Ullmark with the bruins permission can talk to any team post June 1st, whether they are on his NTC or not. But not entirely sure why he would want to talk to a team on his NTC.
I could see him opening up to a team on his NTC if they guarantee a contract now. He’d have more leverage and be closer to his Vezina.
I could see him opening up to a team on his NTC if they guarantee a contract now. He’d have more leverage and be closer to his Vezina.
I think his largest thing which people seem to be ignoring, was he shut down a trade so he didn't uproot his family mid school year and didn't want to leave them. Other thing i heard is ease/length of travel to/from Sweden. I think something like NJD he'd be open to as long as it's set with a bit of stability
That’s journalism 2024. It’s click bait and accuracy isn’t a consideration. Friedman is the most credible. The next ones are probably LeBrun, Seravelli, Weekes, Johnston. Probably missing someone, but I read that article and basically dismissed it.
Ottawa is not trading Chychrun and a 2024 Boston 1st for Ullmark. All the reports are that Ullmark wants an eastern time zone team with easy travel to Sweden and a competitive team. My guess is with those parameters that Jersey wouldn’t be on his NTC list and blocked.
I’m curious about a few things?
1. When did Ullmark set his current NTC and when can he change it?
2. When can the Bruins let another team talk to him if he has them on his NTC?
The M NTC are usually set July 1st and sometimes changed January 1st. Now if Ullmark and the Bruins agree, they could change the teams that are on list.
The Bruins could let any team talk to Ullmark about a trade/extension but of course they would notify Ullmark if he would agree to that (Why wouldn't he)
But the most likely situation is that Bruins and the "new" team have a trade in place, and the trade only takes place if Ullmark agrees to an extension. Certainly Bruins aren't going to allow a team to offer an extension without a trade agreement in place.
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