Quoting: dgibb10
What returns are you looking for for the following:
Colton:
Girard:
Manson:
Georgiev:
Any other potential cap casualties:
That would get you to move them.
Put it in terms of 1 pick. For example Colton: 25th overall if that’s how you value him.
And then tell me what specifically the Avs are looking for, because if it’s not cost controlled 3LD and cost controlled offensive minded forwards idk what it is.
Just looking for how you view it
Remembering these are all just how I personally view them, not necessarily how other Avs fans or the Avs management do lol. I've also looked at them principally 'in a vacuum' as I appreciate that if the Avs made wholesale changes then how much cap space there would be to alter in different positions changes. Basically considered the idea of the one contract the Avs will simply have to move assuming Landy returns. I realise if the Avs moved Manson AND Girard for example and somehow acquired two other hypothetical cheaper D then trading Georgie and acquiring a more expensive G option could be possible.
Colton - I don't believe the Avs move him bar a significant(?) overpay, i.e. what they paid for him plus a piece they highly value (or the value of the trade combines as such), and that piece is probably the part that's up for debate, the overpay and what it is, how significant it is, and I think where you and I probably differ in our valuations.
Girard - Hronek trade framework or thereabouts (plus/minus - debatable, whether value has taken a hit from PAP time for example). Probably the easiest to value in that sense with a recent trade of a similar standard D and also with the Avs trade of Newhook to MTL in mind (no question Girard is more valuable than Newhook and Newhook returned a late first and early second). Mid 1st plus mid 2nd with a 4th going back was the Hronek deal. I'd imagine if we're talking purely with NJ in mind then it would be based around 2025 picks for a number of reasons. From the Avs point of view it would suit as they have no 2025 high end picks. From NJ's PoV it would be expected to be lower than this year's pick I would think? Can't see them having as bad a year next year as this year was kind of a perfect storm of things going pear-shaped and they still stayed relatively competitive. Trade is also more likely to be made after this year's draft anyway (were it to happen) and also not sure if the 2025 draft is expected to be better or worse but I don't think from what I've read that '25 is expected to be anything 'special'.
Manson - Don't believe the Avs would get enough value in a trade to move him versus what he gives to the team (which they can't replace easily), and they have no other D (even in the system bar counting perhaps Middleton who is a lefty and won't ever be an NHL regular I wouldn't think) who are similar. He is however also probably the one to move IF you're going to take a pure loss to gain cap space due to age etc, and the loss would be more palatable in that sense. Avs could maybe make a move for a big defensive D but with a little less nasty to replace him but the nastiness is a big part of what the Avs need there. Got to at least have some imo even nowadays.
Georgiev - Again wouldn't get value for him (even with all the wins this year, he hasn't been in great form as most well know) and would have to replace him with someone who likely costs more. Not really a move the Avs can make that makes a huge amount of sense in goal that I can see. Almost any change would either be a pretty big gamble or else a guy they really can't afford. Avs likely stand pat in goal and hope he bounces back.
The only other guys that I could see potentially being moved are:
a) Wood - who I honestly have no idea how to value atm. I think he has more value to the Avs than he gets in a trade.
b) O'Connor - Similar to the above. For what he delivers so cheaply he wouldn't get value in a trade and it would take an overpay to move him imo. Maybe if they don't think they can re-sign him he's potentially on the block however.
And as outside bets:
c) Lehkonen - Whopping overpay to get him and risk upsetting Rantanen and Bednar simply loves Lehky.
d) Nichushkin - Value again may have taken a hit from the PAP time but just can't see him being moved bar, again, a whopping overpay.