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Created by: Kam23

Team: 2023-24 St. Louis Blues

Initial Creation Date: May 5, 2024

Published: May 5, 2024

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Trades

STL

2024 1st round pick (NJD)

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Blues are in desperate need for Dmen prospects and there will likely be no good ones available (Parekh, Yakemchuk, Silayev, Levshunov, Dickinson, Buium) and reaching for a D is a big mistake.

NJD

2024 1st round pick (STL)
2024 2nd round pick (TOR)

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Devils have a bit of hole in terms of young middle six centers and left wingers in the organization and there should be some good options available (Sennecke, Connelly, Greentree, MBN, Hage, etc) even if they trade down to 16. They also get a second they could use to trade for help now or use.

STL

2024 1st round pick (BUF)

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The Sabres have a pretty stacked prospect pool and young core already in the NHL only hole I see is a 2nd pair RD so idk if they would be interested in trading down but maybe just trade the pick for a 2nd pair RD that can help them now. Not related but I see them trading one of Savoie or Ostlund or move one to the wing but they already got a lot of wingers.

BUF

2024 1st round pick (STL)
2024 2nd round pick (TOR)

STL

2024 1st round pick (SEA)

SEA

2024 1st round pick (STL)
2024 2nd round pick (TOR)
2024 3rd round pick (NYR)

The Kraken have major hole in terms good young right wingers and taking one at 8 would be a reach imo so if they aren’t interested in getting a RD which I think is there 2nd biggest hole (Levshunov and Parekh probably gone and Yakemchuk would be a reach at 8) than trading down to 16 to get Sennecke or Greentree or MBN or Chernyshov makes sense while also picking up a second and third rounder makes sense.

STL

2024 1st round pick (NJD)

NJD

Hayes, Kevin ($1,571,429 retained)

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2024 1st round pick (STL)

1st A devils fan made this trade offer and I thought it made sense for both sides. The devils have a need at 3C since they lost McLeod in the wjc incident and they now get Hayes cheap for 2M for the next two years just for trading down 6 spots. This trade gives a spot to one of the blues prospects Dvorsky, Dean, and Alexandrov on top of selecting a D at 10 and not trading away a 2nd.

Retained Salary Transactions

Kevin Hayes: $1,571,429 (44%)

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Jakub Vrána: $1,475,000 ($2,625,000)

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

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LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
25	$83,500,000	$83,443,512	$20,000	$432,500	$56,488

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Bolduc, Zachary $863,333$863,333 ($400,000$400K) LW RFA - 3	Thomas, Robert $8,125,000$8,125,000 C, RW UFA - 8	Schenn, Brayden $6,500,000$6,500,000 C, LW NTC UFA - 5
Buchnevich, Pavel $5,800,000$5,800,000 LW, RW, C M-NTC UFA - 2	Dvorsky, Dalibor $950,000$950,000 C RFA - 4	Kyrou, Jordan $8,125,000$8,125,000 RW UFA - 8
Saad, Brandon $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW, RW NTC UFA - 3	Dean, Zach $852,500$852,500 ($32,500$32K) C RFA - 3	Neighbours, Jake $835,833$835,833 LW, RW RFA - 2
Walker, Nathan $775,000$775,000 LW UFA - 1	Sundqvist, Oskar $775,000$775,000 RW, C UFA - 1	Toropchenko, Alexey $1,250,000$1,250,000 LW, RW RFA - 2
	Alexandrov, Nikita $816,667$816,667 C RFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Krug, Torey $6,500,000$6,500,000 LD NTC UFA - 4	Faulk, Justin $6,500,000$6,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 4	Binnington, Jordan $6,000,000$6,000,000 G NTC UFA - 4
Leddy, Nick $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD NTC UFA - 3	Parayko, Colton $6,500,000$6,500,000 RD NTC UFA - 7	Hofer, Joel $775,000$775,000 G RFA - 2
Perunovich, Scott $775,000$775,000 LD RFA - 1	Kessel, Matthew $883,750$883,750 RD RFA - 1
Tucker, Tyler $800,000$800,000 LD/RD RFA - 2

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
Scandella, Marco $3,275,000$3,275,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1
Blais, Samuel $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, RW UFA - 1
Kapanen, Kasperi $3,200,000$3,200,000 RW UFA - 1

May 5 at 7:29 p.m.

PHEN

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We would be looking to trade 1st rd pick 2024 and things for Buch.

May 5 at 7:32 p.m.

Tsmash

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Quoting: PHEN

We would be looking to trade 1st rd pick 2024 and things for Buch.

If it is your 24 1st the blues should definitely be interested

May 5 at 7:32 p.m.

Kam23

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Kam23

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Quoting: PHEN

We would be looking to trade 1st rd pick 2024 and things for Buch.

Idk if you heard Armstrong in these press conferences he loves Buch he isn’t gonna trade him, he is gonna try to resign him I thought he should’ve traded him at the deadline

May 5 at 7:33 p.m.

Schuyler

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for the blues to get the devils pick it would likely cost 16 both 2nd rounders and a 3rd. Per https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

May 5 at 7:34 p.m.

KrakBirds23

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Kraken pass. Bigger hole in top prospects on the blue line. They'll go with Firkus and Nyman being their top prospects on the RW.

May 5 at 7:38 p.m.

Kam23

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Quoting: Schuyler

for the blues to get the devils pick it would likely cost 16 both 2nd rounders and a 3rd. Per https://puckpedia.com/pickvalue

I think that’s way too much for just 6 spots maybe I would add a 3rd or switch the Toronto second to the blues one but if it’s more than that I would stand pat. The thing with calculators it doesn’t take into account the strength of the draft and the draft tiers along with the teams situation (needs).

May 5 at 7:45 p.m.

Kam23

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Quoting: KrakBirds23

Kraken pass. Bigger hole in top prospects on the blue line. They'll go with Firkus and Nyman being their top prospects on the RW.

Nyman has always on the left side and the only prop spect or young player in the organization that has nhl potential is Firkus and that’s it. The kraken already used two seconds last year and one before that on D and you left side is already locked in with Dunn, Evans, Price, etc.

May 5 at 7:47 p.m.

Schuyler

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Quoting: Kam23

I'm just saying historically its a severe underpayment arizona paid pick 14 and 45 to move up to 11

May 5 at 7:50 p.m.

Kam23

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Kam23

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Quoting: PHEN

We would be looking to trade 1st rd pick 2024 and things for Buch.

You guys already have Kulich, Benson, Peterka, and maybe Wallberg or Ostlund who prob get moved to a left wing spot. Unless you’re moving some of that in the Buch trade or another trade I don’t think it makes sense for the Sabres.

May 5 at 7:55 p.m.

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Kam23

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Quoting: Schuyler

I'm just saying historically its a severe underpayment arizona paid pick 14 and 45 to move up to 11

Well I think the Yotes overpaid in that one and could afford to considering all the picks they have. Armstrong loved Geekie and nobody expected him to be available at 11 going into the draft.

May 5 at 7:57 p.m.

#11

Schuyler

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Quoting: Kam23

Well I think the Yotes overpaid in that one and could afford to considering all the picks they have. Armstrong loved Geekie and nobody expected him to be available at 11 going into the draft.

it was the 2019 draft which is a very similar draft talent wise to 2024 yotes paid 27 34 and 45 to move to 11 in 2022

May 5 at 8:14 p.m.

#12

Stadel

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It's very unlikely the Sabres trade down or any of their 1st round forwards. They have a recruitment problem. When nobody wants to waive their NTC and no FA wants to sign with you, prospect development becomes the paramount focus.

May 5 at 8:48 p.m.

#13

noted

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Quoting: Kam23

Idk if you heard Armstrong in these press conferences he loves Buch he isn’t gonna trade him, he is gonna try to resign him I thought he should’ve traded him at the deadline

I heard the press conference. He said he is going to try to resign him. Also needed to make sure Buch was on the same page in that they might not be competitive for a bit. Never did he say that he wasn’t going to trade him…

May 5 at 8:52 p.m.

#14

dgibb10

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I'd rather NJD just pick at 10 tbh

May 5 at 9:01 p.m.

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Smitty426

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If Dickinson or Buim are there at 10 their Devils

May 5 at 9:09 p.m.

#16

NHLfan10506

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I think trading down for NJD might be wise move. Most of the core is set…and the holes to plug (3C, defensive dmen, heavier middle-six winger, depth, goalie) may be easier to do with multiple picks. Generally, I don’t see a huge difference between 10 and 16 unless you are targeting a specific position, which NJD probably aren’t. The best trade down scenario I have seen is Minnesota’s #13/Gustavsson for #10.

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May 5 at 9:10 p.m.

#17

Kam23

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Quoting: noted

He didn’t say it directly but both parties sound interested in an extension I would be really surprised if doesn’t have an extension before next season

May 5 at 9:10 p.m.

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NHLfan10506

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Quoting: Smitty426

If Dickinson or Buim are there at 10 their Devils

*they’re

Yes, 100% agree (but cannot imagine either makes it to #10)

May 5 at 9:16 p.m.

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Kam23

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Quoting: Stadel

I agree prospect development is important for them but when you have so much good prospects and young players wouldn’t it make sense to use the picks to get players that help now. Trading back let’s you do both maybe you use the 2nd or 3rd you get but trade the 1st.

May 5 at 9:18 p.m.

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Kam23

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

Damn I doubt the Wild do that but if the Devils get that offer they should accept right away. Wonder what the thought process is for Wild in that trade scenario.

May 5 at 9:21 p.m.

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Kam23

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Quoting: NHLfan10506

*they’re

Yes, 100% agree (but cannot imagine either makes it to #10)

Quoting: Smitty426

If Dickinson or Buim are there at 10 their Devils

I don’t think either drop past 8 tbh

May 5 at 9:25 p.m.

#22

PHEN

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Quoting: Kam23

Yeah. Too many prospects. Ostlund/Rosen and a 2024 1st top 5 protected for Buch. Maybe a B level prospect too to St Louis.

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May 5 at 9:25 p.m.

#23

Kam23

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Quoting: dgibb10

I'd rather NJD just pick at 10 tbh

Is there someone you are targeting?

May 5 at 9:37 p.m.

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Kam23

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Quoting: Schuyler

it was the 2019 draft which is a very similar draft talent wise to 2024 yotes paid 27 34 and 45 to move to 11 in 2022

Thought you were talking about the 2922 draft how is 2019 like this years draft? And wouldn’t agree that 16 56 81 for 10 not close if not more valuable than 14 45 for 11 anyways

May 5 at 9:40 p.m.

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Stadel

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Quoting: Kam23

It does make sense, but they can't get the help you're thinking of. All the players that can move the needle have no move clauses. I suppose they could trade Savoie for a 3rd liner without a no move clause, but that would be thoroughly and correctly mocked.

They won't all graduate the minors at the same time, so they will all likely get a spot when ready. Greenway, Skinner, Girgensons, Krebs, vacant centre spot will eventually be --> Wahlberg, Ostlund, Kulich, Rosen, Savoie.

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