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Detroit Red Wings signed Patrick Kane (1 Year / $2,750,000 AAV)

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Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:27 p.m.
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Omg it's finally happening !!!!!

Patty "Big Daddy" Kane and Justin "Swoll Pole" Holl on the same team?

Detroit vs Oilers finals confirmed.
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 3:48 p.m.
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14m in dead cap
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Quoting: seanrushton
Takes up a roster spot, a lineup spot, and cap space. Plus he was bad when he was in New York and on top of that a knee surgery means that he's more than likely going to be even worse at the things he was bad at


If he's bad, he won't take up a roster spot because he has a NTC, not a NMC, so he can be buried in the minors if they don't want to play him. Cap space? According to this site, they currently have just over $4m cap space currently all the way up to $20m at the deadline so they'll be fine. He was bad in NY? Who cares, there's a chance his surgery was what he needed and he'll be productive again. If not, he can either play in Grand Rapids or agree to a mutual termination to not report. They're at 46 out of 50 contracts, so that's not even a concern. Money spent? I think the Ilitch family will still be able to afford that yacht for their yacht with $2m spent on Kane's contract.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 4:41 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
Risky signing by Detroit... signing him after hip surgery could backfire massively


How? It's a one year deal, if he's not playing well there's no obligation to play him high in the lineup. They have a boatload of cap compared to most other teams with a chance at Playoffs this year. Idk how it's risky.

On the other other hand, he plays well and it just improves Detroits chances at doing something this year.
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 5:03 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
How? It's a one year deal, if he's not playing well there's no obligation to play him high in the lineup. They have a boatload of cap compared to most other teams with a chance at Playoffs this year. Idk how it's risky.

On the other other hand, he plays well and it just improves Detroits chances at doing something this year.


You guys are getting a guy whose style of play doesn't play very well in the bottom six (poor defense, not very physical) and just came off a major surgery... He's the kind of guy who needs top-six minutes to be a somewhat effective player
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 5:10 p.m.
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Some of the people on this site kill me. Just have zero grasp on reality.
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: BeautifulIdiot
Free player, unused cap space, doesnt take up a whole lot, high upside, if he doesnt work out, you have wasted a few bucks, I dont see how people could vote no, because even though his cap hit is high the impact that the cap has on the team is not significant enough to cause problems.


Exactly. There's like zero risk to the Wings here. He's not blocking any younger, better forward. He's inexpensive. He *could* be very good. If he's not good, he can go on LTIR. If he's good and the Wings are playoff bound bonus for him and the team. If he's good and the Wings are out of the playoffs he has a very reasonable cap hit to trade to an actual contender.
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 5:42 p.m.
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Seems like a good deal for the Wings. What to they have to lose on the deal? I'm surprise Kane signed with the Wings. Good luck to Kane this season.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 6:08 p.m.
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Ouch
Nov. 28, 2023 at 6:40 p.m.
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Respect Mike Grier
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Quoting: seanrushton
You guys are getting a guy whose style of play doesn't play very well in the bottom six (poor defense, not very physical) and just came off a major surgery... He's the kind of guy who needs top-six minutes to be a somewhat effective player


Not a Detroit Fan...

Anyways sure that's fair, but like where is the risk that detroit is facing. If he isn't effective then Detroit continues through next year like nothing ever happened.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 6:52 p.m.
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Quoting: ARMCHAIRGMOFTHEYEAR
Not a Detroit Fan...

Anyways sure that's fair, but like where is the risk that detroit is facing. If he isn't effective then Detroit continues through next year like nothing ever happened.


That's a fair point... my concern is that he's going to take a roster spot from a prospect who could use some time up with the big club
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 7:46 p.m.
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He may just be power play specialist…probably ~60-pt pace with heavily managed minutes…good deal at $2.75m.

Still a legend.
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 8:15 p.m.
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Quoting: seanrushton
Takes up a roster spot, a lineup spot, and cap space. Plus he was bad when he was in New York and on top of that a knee surgery means that he's more than likely going to be even worse at the things he was bad at


Seriously, a whole roster spot taken up? The salary is prorated. 20 games past nearly so that’s almost a quarter of it off the books. That’s like 700k. So 2 mill for a potential top 6. And ye, he wasn’t great in New York, buddy had to have hip surgery. If he wasn’t injured all year and played normal Kane life, he would be cashing in 7-8 mill. The guy wasn’t rushed back and plays coming off a lot of rehab.the guys 35 and had 57 points in 73 games, 21 of which were goals all while playing mostly injured. I think it’s safe to say he’s well worth 2 mill. Who you keeping for a roster spot over Kane ? Veleno and Kostin ? I’ll take Kane all day. Smh. I don’t think you know much about hockey. What’s 2 mill grabbing you for your roster ? A deadline rental ? Or some scrub ?
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Nov. 28, 2023 at 8:23 p.m.
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High rewards with a relatively low risk. Even if he's only half of what he was last year, then this won't be a terrible contract.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 8:27 p.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
I really don't understand the plan in Detroit right now, and I don't particularly like the way they are going about building their team. Feels like more wasted money, that hip surgery is going to be a killer. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see Kane reunited with DeBrincat and I don't think he'll be unplayable or anything, but I don't get it.


As an outside..It would appear theyre trying to win.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 8:53 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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Quoting: pavelisgoat
He legitimately hasn’t missed on a first round pick yet. Don’t call it a rebuild if you don’t want to be patient for prospects to turn 22


Can't wait to see all those prospects raise to the big league without roster openings.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 9:05 p.m.
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Can't wait to see all those prospects raise to the big league without roster openings.


Seider (22) and Raymond (21) are already on the team and proving to be very good blocks in the rebuild. Edvinsson (20) and everyone else (younger) will get their chance if not later this season then next season, when there will be many openings as contracts end. Why does everyone get their panties in a knot about having a competitive roster that 20 year olds don’t have to be your first liners on. We’d all rather be like Buffalo and Ottawa since they’re both so good
Nov. 28, 2023 at 9:07 p.m.
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Im surprised he didnt sign with a top cup contender...but maybe he wanted the cash (last contract perhaps) over a possible longer cup run. That injury is almost impossible to come back from, the chances this is a great signing...are slim.
Nov. 28, 2023 at 9:14 p.m.
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You know nothing JS
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Quoting: pavelisgoat
Seider (22) and Raymond (21) are already on the team and proving to be very good blocks in the rebuild. Edvinsson (20) and everyone else (younger) will get their chance if not later this season then next season, when there will be many openings as contracts end. Why does everyone get their panties in a knot about having a competitive roster that 20 year olds don’t have to be your first liners on. We’d all rather be like Buffalo and Ottawa since they’re both so good


You do understand teams have more than 1 draft pick per year, right?
Nov. 28, 2023 at 10:15 p.m.
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Surprised this aint the Williams deal

league min with 1.3m bonus

He made sense for Det because of Debrincat but still curious of what would have happened if he got his preferred team Dallas
Nov. 28, 2023 at 11:21 p.m.
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Quoting: jpsnow13
You do understand teams have more than 1 draft pick per year, right?


Yup. And as draft round goes on, draftee success rate significantly declines. Furthermore, players drafted in later rounds typically take more years before they might have a chance at breaking into the NHL.

Seider at 22 years old is Yzerman’s first draft class. You do realize you said ‘his rebuild didn’t work’ right? And that’s what I am still pointing at as being an asinine comment. Point is, the rebuild is still a work in progress, as one should expect with a rebuilding timeline. At the same time, the wings are competitive, adding Kane might make them even more so. By the time the rebuild is complete, Yzerman’s draft picks will be graduating into an already competitive team. Sounds terrible
Nov. 29, 2023 at 2:46 a.m.
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Definitely a gamble but could be good if Kane can stay healthy and plays up to par
Nov. 29, 2023 at 10:20 a.m.
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Quoting: SKATES21
Seriously, a whole roster spot taken up? The salary is prorated. 20 games past nearly so that’s almost a quarter of it off the books. That’s like 700k. So 2 mill for a potential top 6. And ye, he wasn’t great in New York, buddy had to have hip surgery. If he wasn’t injured all year and played normal Kane life, he would be cashing in 7-8 mill. The guy wasn’t rushed back and plays coming off a lot of rehab.the guys 35 and had 57 points in 73 games, 21 of which were goals all while playing mostly injured. I think it’s safe to say he’s well worth 2 mill. Who you keeping for a roster spot over Kane ? Veleno and Kostin ? I’ll take Kane all day. Smh. I don’t think you know much about hockey. What’s 2 mill grabbing you for your roster ? A deadline rental ? Or some scrub ?


That isn't how the salary cap works when you sign somebody mid-season
Nov. 29, 2023 at 10:25 a.m.
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Leafs going to Leafs
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well, hot streak dont always last and injuries happen. its better to plan ahead and get better now than later.


I get that... But that's why I said it was high risk, high reward...

This signing could push them over the top or make them fall into mediocrity...
Nov. 29, 2023 at 12:15 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Surprised this aint the Williams deal

league min with 1.3m bonus

He made sense for Det because of Debrincat but still curious of what would have happened if he got his preferred team Dallas


I thought the same, but Detroit has plenty of space this season; and maybe wants to get aggressive next year and weaponize their space along with fitting in a Sieder extension.
Nov. 29, 2023 at 3:47 p.m.
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Voted yes.
I think people have written him off, but he may be able to revamp his career.
Last year he was playing on a terrible team. Could have better results on a better team.

Its also a low risk, 1 year deal
 
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