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Forum: NHL11 hours ago
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>But remember Brind’Amour does not want to leave Carolina just to leave or cause of organizational setup. Issue right now is they are not meeting his asking price and so he may have 0 choice but to go fine im going to market

Sure those also apply but it seems the main disagreement is how much is being offered to him. CAR really got to stop being so cheap its gonna really cost em.

With TOR being hungry for a cup and not having a big window, if they once again drop the ball Keefe's 100% gone and I could see a new coach super deal tying or beating the previous Babcock one

Like if TOR offered 10m x 5 years to him would be pretty stupid to reject dont yah think. Plus get to coach Matthews added bonus</div></div>

Not saying TOR wouldn't be a top contender either. It's just that "job security" is a top factor; and likely the roster construction/ development system. Treliving and his team; the scouts; etc would have to be aligned with Brind'Amour on philosophy. Not saying they arent; just saying that is more important than $; otherwise nobody is successful and everyone gets fired
Forum: NHL11 hours ago
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>But remember Brind’Amour does not want to leave Carolina just to leave or cause of organizational setup. Issue right now is they are not meeting his asking price and so he may have 0 choice but to go fine im going to market

Sure those also apply but it seems the main disagreement is how much is being offered to him. CAR really got to stop being so cheap its gonna really cost em.

With TOR being hungry for a cup and not having a big window, if they once again drop the ball Keefe's 100% gone and I could see a new coach super deal tying or beating the previous Babcock one

Like if TOR offered 10m x 5 years to him would be pretty stupid to reject dont yah think. Plus get to coach Matthews added bonus</div></div>

Everything I've heard is it's more about his assistants and their job security/compensation.
Forum: NHL13 hours ago
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>A_Habs_fan</b></div><div>I think you’re underestimating the Brind’Amour -Francis connection and how much money Seattle has</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Money talks though and if TOR is sitting there with a Babcock or 10m offer idk if Brind'Amour would reject it

Like the main reason he would leave CAR is money thats what were getting from the majority of reports.

Sure he may know Francis but he's not leaving for the sake of leaving there be factors in play and I dont see SEA outbidding TOR if they really want this guy

Plus he gets to coach Matthews big bonus ;)</div></div>

I think relationships, organizational structure and system alignment matter much more than people realize for HC
Forum: NHL23 hours ago
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #6: The Quest for Lord Stanley's Cup
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>aadoyle</b></div><div>Wanna see why I say Goalies are silly geese

Connor Hellebuyck is in the Vezina conversation and will probs win it

60 games 2.39 GAA and a 0.921SV

Jets got eliminated tonight and in those 5 games

5.23GAA and a 0.864SV

And here's the kicker at the TDL WPG spent

1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for a 5 playoff games run</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>The jets allowed 14% of the goals they allowed during the entire season in 5 games in round 1.

From the lowest goals against in the entire league to this is really hard to process.</div></div>

And Hellebuyck was arguably one of their best players in that whole series, he made tons of great saves and hardly any of the goals were cheap ones.

The Jets D blew it big time; and not just the blueliners, their whole team D fell apart after the 2nd period of game 1 and only came back for the first half of game 5. Colorado's speed, transition, and relentless forechecking attack just had them scrambling and the scoring came in bunches that demoralized the Jets. Josh Morrissey was about the only consistent threat for them.
Forum: NHLMon. at 11:47 p.m.
Forum: NHLMon. at 12:18 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NorthernLeafsFan05</b></div><div>There's a widespread belief that the Leafs will look to trade Mitch Marner if they lose in the 1st round again. This would be one of the biggest trades of the cap era, so where do you guys think Marner will wind up?

I think New Jersey makes sense, they have a surplus of very elite defensive prospects that will be enticing to Toronto (Casey 👀), and also some good young players like Mercer. They also have the 10th overall pick which will likely be a defenseman, which is of no use to NJD. Wonder if that is in play.

Nashville also makes sense to me, I could see something revolving around Tomasino + Askarov being a solid base.

Utah could also make a lot of sense, they have so many picks and prospects while also having a desire to compete.

It'll be an interesting offseason</div></div>

It's 100% up to Mitch Marner and Mitch Marner alone about IF and WHERE he gets traded, due to NMC.

Would he waive his to go to Pittsburgh? Would Pittsburgh require Erik Karlsson to be the one going the other way and would he waive his NMC to go to Toronto?

If Marner wanted to leave Toronto, he can just wait for his contract to come up after next year (and another year of cap increases) and then leave on the open market or at next year's trade deadline when it is much easier to move money around and he can see who is a contender and he has a chance to improve his value during the regular season not now when it might be at it's lowest.

He isn't just going to bow down to the fan/media speculation and slink away cheaply. There is no motivation for him to do that.
Forum: NHL SigningsMon. at 10:45 a.m.
Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs signed Nikita Grebyonkin (3 Years / $875,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>I WAS WAITING FOR THIS

I love Grebyonkin, he is looking to be such a steal for a 5th rounder, winning KHL rookie of the year last year.
I have high hopes for him

Interesting that they signed him for this year, is it to get him money for this year and burn a year?</div></div>

Yeah the timing must have to do with his bonus and the Leafs getting it under this year's cap instead of next years. That part is always confusing.

I had been waiting on this for quite awhile in one of my deep fantasy dynasty leagues but I cut bait when it didn't happen in time for my roster cutoff (since his KHL season was extended for the playoffs/championship).

Good signing (as in: he is coming to NA) so there can't be any complaints about it; there will be some roster spots at F between NHL/AHL that he can compete for
Forum: NHLThu. at 4:23 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>I’m kinda a weirdo:

I’m preferring Utah HC as the final name.

Maybe I’ve thought about so many names they all just kinda seem generic and lazy. Like what low grade theme park would name its newest ride. So why not be generic and lazy to the extreme, own it and do it well, go big or go home. Could refer to them as whatever people from Utah call themselves, or just Utah. (A Ute?, the Utes?) (I’ve recently lived thru the St. Louis MLS expansion and really like our branding there, local ownership enhances marketing opportunity and impact, impresses upon fans that advertising partners are “us”).

It would be fun if their mascot was a snake and it was a dude in a modified green inflatable flailing arms man costume, so for that I’m rooting for venom or poison or whatever. They could have a power play dance for the fans that looks absolutely stupid and ridiculous, making it amazing, where they all wiggle around like snakes.</div></div>

Too "futbol-y" for me for hockey; think it still has to be a part of the NHL branding style.

BTW - A "Ute" is a Native American tribe or a member of the Ute Nation, there are several tribes and also what the state flagship NCAA school nickname is: Utah Utes so there is noway they encroach on that.
Citizen of Utah call themselves Utahns; not really good for a team nickname.
Forum: NHLApr. 25 at 1:49 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Saskleaf</b></div><div>7. Utah Fury
It, A, is kind of boring and generic, B, doesn’t scream hockey, and C, probably works best with a fire theme and we already have the flames in the NHL. So pretty easy no for me

And of course, 1. Yetis
As mentioned with Mammoth, I’m glad this is Yetis and not Yeti. But overall I think Utah Yetis should be what this team is called. Yetis are big and fierce (but have a lovable side too so good mascot potential), they’re from the mountains, they’re associated with snow, they’re white which can leave the jersey colour to be up in the air, and Utah Yetis sounds good and rolls off the tongue well. Hopefully this wins the contest</div></div>

I had originally thought that something like Utah Hotshots would be cool (Wildfire Firefighters that drop in on helicopters; pretty much heroes out in the west) so if they incorporated that into the "Fury" I would like it more but the connection is kind of weak.

I thought Yetis were just fancy expensive coolers that all the hipsters had and drinking cups before Stanley's became cooler? It's a stretch since it is a Himalayan myth and not much of a Rocky Mountain one; we have more Sasquatch legends out here and alien cow mutiliation than Yeti.
Forum: NHLApr. 24 at 11:03 a.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #5: The Final Stretch
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CantStopWontStop</b></div><div>Anybody have a guess on Chychrun’s trade value and next contract?

Revisiting his last trade, he went for a sub 16 draft pick (unknown at time and top 5 protected), a 2nd, and a 2nd 2 years later.

I’m finding him very comparable to Vince Dunn and his 4 year, 7.35AAV, and acquiring him gets you next season at his current aav of 4.6.

I wonder if Ottawa gets back “more” than they paid, primarily because Chychrun played all 82 games this past season, and the acquiring team would be extending at the time of trade. I think they can flip him for more.

I dunno if my blues would be involved but the left side of our d is going to change eventually, one way or the other.</div></div>

Personally, I would keep Chychrun and move Chabot out if I were Ottawa.

Sanderson is the absolute stud of the future there and they need a RD complement to him (a defensively responsible partner) to allow Sanderson to push the play. Pesce would be ideal but Demelo or Matt Roy would be in the mix.
Chychrun-Zub as their 2nd pair would be ideal. If they strike out on their top pair targets then maybe Sean Walker and bump Zub up to the top pair.