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We are no longer paying to move Mathieu Joseph

Created by: sensonfire
Team: 2023-24 Ottawa Senators
Initial Creation Date: Oct. 12, 2023
Published: Oct. 12, 2023
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He was our best player last night.


He is no longer a cap dump and should be viewed as a positive asset if he keeps it up.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
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LongtimeLeafsufferer
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Best player last night? Maybe now is the time to move him.
But you're right, Kubalik looks like a much easier move due to his $$$ and term.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:26 p.m.
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One game takes him from needing a 1st to dump to not being a dump whatsoever.

If only there was 1 game a season, huh?
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:27 p.m.
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"We are no longer paying to move Mathieu Joseph"

Lol

This opinion, and trading Kubalik has been the opinion i have been loudly shouting against other sens fans for MONTHS

Im happy the rest of the fandom has joined myself and Xspyrit on this side
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:33 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
One game takes him from needing a 1st to dump to not being a dump whatsoever.

If only there was 1 game a season, huh?


He’s the best 2 way forward on the team, kills penalties and creates a ton of odd man rushes every game dating back to 2 years ago.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:33 p.m.
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Move Kubalik easy
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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Quoting: csick
He’s the best 2 way forward on the team, kills penalties and creates a ton of odd man rushes every game dating back to 2 years ago.


and yet, this entire off-season the question was "Is the cost to dump Joseph a 1st or a 2nd?" The question (as of now) isn't if he's a dump or not. The question is if it's worth it to dump him or not.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:34 p.m.
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Quoting: PLDGEY
"We are no longer paying to move Mathieu Joseph"

Lol

This opinion, and trading Kubalik has been the opinion i have been loudly shouting against other sens fans for MONTHS

Im happy the rest of the fandom has joined myself and Xspyrit on this side


Hang on there bud , I posted in June that Joseph had value and would have a bounce back year…. He battled injuries last year and was never 100%. I also heeded caution to the signing of Tarasenko. I just sit back and watch, I am not going to keep repeating the same thing over and over.
Dorion can’t go with the current lineup too long , if the Senators don’t have 13-14 points after 10 games then PD and DJ are shown the door.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:37 p.m.
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haha after one game. SMRT
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:42 p.m.
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Every other GM in the league:

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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:51 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
and yet, this entire off-season the question was "Is the cost to dump Joseph a 1st or a 2nd?" The question (as of now) isn't if he's a dump or not. The question is if it's worth it to dump him or not.


Quoting: arab05
haha after one game. SMRT


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Every other GM in the league:

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These comments are gold lol thank you
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:57 p.m.
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yes, the sens should keep him
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
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Move Pinto if Norris will be back. Young centers, young dmen, and low AAV vets get a premium.
Oct. 12, 2023 at 12:59 p.m.
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I love Joseph and think the Sens should keep him. However if he were to get traded at this point he would still be a cap dump. If he continues playing how he did yesterday then he could maybe be traded for a late pick later in the season.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:04 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
These comments are gold lol thank you


these guys are worse than NFL fans, and they're notorious for letting one game dictate the entire upcoming season.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:15 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
these guys are worse than NFL fans, and they're notorious for letting one game dictate the entire upcoming season.


I can’t wait for the Flyers game tonight cause if we are saying Joseph now has all of this value because he was the best player then that’s a bad precedent to set lol. Hart is the best player for the Flyers every night he plays so after the game tonight I can make a Hart for Bedard 1 for 1 trade!
Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:27 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
I can’t wait for the Flyers game tonight cause if we are saying Joseph now has all of this value because he was the best player then that’s a bad precedent to set lol. Hart is the best player for the Flyers every night he plays so after the game tonight I can make a Hart for Bedard 1 for 1 trade!


Sound logic. What if Risto is the best player? I'd lock him as my Norris favorite tbh.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:34 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Sound logic. What if Risto is the best player? I'd lock him as my Norris favorite tbh.


😂😂 unfortunately Risto isn’t playing tonight. He’s got a small knock, otherwise I would tell you to lock it in lol
Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:35 p.m.
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😂😂 unfortunately Risto isn’t playing tonight. He’s got a small knock, otherwise I would tell you to lock it in lol


Crud. He was traded for a 1st; he must be a good defenseman! Right?
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Crud. He was traded for a 1st; he must be a good defenseman! Right?


If you want to separate the hockey fans who can talk about the Flyers versus the hockey fans who can’t talk about the Flyers, you just have to ask them how Risto played last season. When they tell you he was bad, you automatically know their opinion is useless becwuse they don’t watch. Last season was the first year Risto actually looked like an NHL defenseman and a decent one at that. He’s still wildly overpaid and Chuck got fleeced in the trade but he actually looked like a low-end 2nd pairing guy finally under Torts.
Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
and yet, this entire off-season the question was "Is the cost to dump Joseph a 1st or a 2nd?" The question (as of now) isn't if he's a dump or not. The question is if it's worth it to dump him or not.


Yikes, and he thinks they're a playoff team when this guy is their best 2 way forward?
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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Quoting: GMDannyB
If you want to separate the hockey fans who can talk about the Flyers versus the hockey fans who can’t talk about the Flyers, you just have to ask them how Risto played last season. When they tell you he was bad, you automatically know their opinion is useless becwuse they don’t watch. Last season was the first year Risto actually looked like an NHL defenseman and a decent one at that. He’s still wildly overpaid and Chuck got fleeced in the trade but he actually looked like a low-end 2nd pairing guy finally under Torts.


I only remember him from watching and hearing the Sabres (since they're my family's favorite team). He was brutal for them. Glad theres some shine for him in Philly, albeit little.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 1:44 p.m.
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Yikes, and he thinks they're a playoff team when this guy is their best 2 way forward?


I gotta rank them as the most delusional fanbase. Its actually worse than the Leafs fanbase.
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 2:06 p.m.
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1 game and he goes from a cap dump needing a 1st to dump him to a positive and you should trade him!!! That’s is a hard core whiplash reaction. Kubliac is far better option for you guys imo
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Oct. 12, 2023 at 3:32 p.m.
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Loved Joseph in the pre-season as well; which should be kept in mind if we're discussing value. Sure, it doesn't matter and is against AHL players, but he is objectively better than Kubalik and can drive plays better. His term and AAV still makes him a dump at the moment, but I think this will be a different story by the end of the season. Hope he keeps this up and PD realizes Kubalik + Thomson is the way to shed cap.
Oct. 12, 2023 at 4:09 p.m.
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Doesn't matter how good he is right now, no gm has room to pay him another 3x 3m
 
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