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Cole Caufield is not Jason Robertson

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Team: 2023-24 Montreal Canadiens
Initial Creation Date: Dec. 2, 2022
Published: Dec. 2, 2022
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What say ye all? What do you think the final cap hit looks like and for exactly how many years?

Advance warning, anyone who puts him higher than Suzuki is immediately getting blocked. Not worth the time/effort/headspace trying to reason with the unreasonable.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:29 a.m.
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Off the top of my head, Nylander's contract seems like a decent comp? Adjust a bit for cap-inflation, but that's the closest I can think of when it comes to offensive production.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:30 a.m.
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Not sure if this get's me "blocked", but I think he gets the same cap percentage as Suzuki but offset for the higher cap number.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:32 a.m.
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My guess is 7.5-7.75, just slightly under Zuke but not much
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:34 a.m.
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3x7 with it going like 5 mil-7 mil-9 mil so his QO is just over 9 mil. May scale all of that down by a few hundred thousand but that is my guess
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:38 a.m.
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3x7 with it going like 5 mil-7 mil-9 mil so his QO is just over 9 mil. May scale all of that down by a few hundred thousand but that is my guess


His AAV across the next 8 years will be less than Suzuki’s, so, um, no.

Assuming he wants to be a Hab, that is. I can’t speak for what his intentions are in that regard.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:40 a.m.
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His AAV will be higher than Suzuki - block me pls
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:43 a.m.
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His AAV will be higher than Suzuki - block me pls


Done, thanks. How’s that Kotkaniemi contract working out btw, lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:44 a.m.
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His AAV across the next 8 years will be less than Suzuki’s, so, um, no.

Assuming he wants to be a Hab, that is. I can’t speak for what his intentions are in that regard.


Suzuki’s deal is a steal. If you use that as the standard then your hopes will get crushed. Plus, the cap is gonna go up in the next few years.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:49 a.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
Suzuki’s deal is a steal. If you use that as the standard then your hopes will get crushed. Plus, the cap is gonna go up in the next few years.


We don’t overpay the overhyped in this market. We buy low and sell high. There will be 7 years of overlap on the Suzuki and Caufield deals. If his agent is actually making that case looking 8 years out, easy solution. 7 year deal. I don’t imagine though that anyone negotiating will be as easily fooled by agent propaganda and media.

One other tidbit as well, everyone knew the cap was going to go up when Suzuki signed his deal also. And more recently as well, so did Dach.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:50 a.m.
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either the same as Suzuki or a 8x8.5 if he scores more than 40. cuz lets be honest if he does score 40 goals he deserves to get paid, but i feel like its going to be the same deal as Suzuki as he's best friends w his captain and him taking higher than him would look bad, since Suzukl is his setup man. My final guess tho is def the same deal as Suzuki.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:53 a.m.
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We don’t overpay the overhyped in this market. We buy low and sell high. There will be 7 years of overlap on the Suzuki and Caufield deals. If his agent is actually making that case looking 8 years out, easy solution. 7 year deal.


well i proposed a 3 year deal where both sides win. 21 mil in 3 years plus he is guaranteed to cash out on his next deal.

A player on pace for 46+ goals is not gonna sign long term for under 8 mil lol. Not how it works. And the Habs likely wont give him the 10+ mil deal that his productions warrants, so my proposed solution makes the most sense. Both sides win
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:56 a.m.
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Quoting: oliver_wahlstrom
well i proposed a 3 year deal where both sides win. 21 mil in 3 years plus he is guaranteed to cash out on his next deal.

A player on pace for 46+ goals is not gonna sign long term for under 8 mil lol. Not how it works. And the Habs likely wont give him the 10+ mil deal that his productions warrants, so my proposed solution makes the most sense. Both sides win


Lol, the Habs “win” with a $7mm cap hit on a bridge deal. Can’t reason with the unreasonable.
Good luck negotiating with all our other players coming out of ELC.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:58 a.m.
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His AAV across the next 8 years will be less than Suzuki’s, so, um, no.

Assuming he wants to be a Hab, that is. I can’t speak for what his intentions are in that regard.


If his AAV is lower than Suzuki's, it's probably a 3-6 year contract.

So far their production is similar on the year, and with Caufield having a greater career goal rate than Suzuki, his agent probably advises on a short term deal.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:59 a.m.
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Lol, the Habs “win” with a $7mm cap hit on a bridge deal. Can’t reason with the unreasonable. Good luck negotiating with all our other players coming out of ELC.


bro he is on pace for 46 goals He was like a PPG with St Louis last year. Why would he not warrant 7 mil? Thats what 45+ goal scorers get. They get 10+
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 8:59 a.m.
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This one cut me deep, I’ll miss you

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Done, thanks. How’s that Kotkaniemi contract working out btw, lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:01 a.m.
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"If anyone disagrees with me you're getting blocked"

Yeah, the rest of us are the unreasonable ones.

He's getting more than Suzuki, add me to the list.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:06 a.m.
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"If anyone disagrees with me you're getting blocked"

Yeah, the rest of us are the unreasonable ones.

He's getting more than Suzuki, add me to the list.


Another from the Kyle Dubas school of GMing. Wake me up when you win something of significance.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:06 a.m.
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bro he is on pace for 46 goals He was like a PPG with St Louis last year. Why would he not warrant 7 mil? Thats what 45+ goal scorers get. They get 10+


He can have $7mm on a long term deal, sure.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:09 a.m.
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"If anyone disagrees with me you're getting blocked"

Yeah, the rest of us are the unreasonable ones.

He's getting more than Suzuki, add me to the list.


Wouldn't be surprised at all if it's a bridge deal.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:10 a.m.
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If his AAV is lower than Suzuki's, it's probably a 3-6 year contract.

So far their production is similar on the year, and with Caufield having a greater career goal rate than Suzuki, his agent probably advises on a short term deal.


If his agent is advising him to work against the interests of our collective team, he won’t be here long. Personally, I’d imagine that his agent is smarter than that.

Also, there are more important considerations for a GM than just one year production.
Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:12 a.m.
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Another from the Kyle Dubas school of GMing. Wake me up when you win something of significance.


Good chirp bud, real original. You got me real good there. Cut me real deep.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:12 a.m.
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I don't know why you're saying he's "not" Jason Robertson. It ignores the fact that a) Robertson has gone supernova this month(20 goals over his last 17 GP) and that b) Caufield is on pace to actually exceed Robertson's goalscoring from last year - which would be the year his agent is gonna point at.

Last year was Robertson's age-22 season, the last year of his ELC, and he put up 41-38-79 in 74 GP before extending at 4x$7.75M this summer.

This year is Caufield's age-22 season, it's the last year of his ELC, and he's on a 46-32-78 pace over a full 82 GP. Why *wouldn't* his agent point at Robertson as the #1 comp for him?
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:13 a.m.
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Lol, the Habs “win” with a $7mm cap hit on a bridge deal. Can’t reason with the unreasonable.
Good luck negotiating with all our other players coming out of ELC.


Shouldn't be hard, other players coming off ELC aren't players scoring at a 45 goal pace that in any market easily commands a Robertson-esque deal. Not wanting to pay market value for stars is going to make you lose them for nothing, it would be foolish not to pay a reasonable price for a guy on pace for 45 goals. its not going to somehow make RFAs on, lets say a 20 goal pace, want huge deals like Caufield or Suzuki.

Glad we found Tom Gaglardi's burner though.
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Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:15 a.m.
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Good chirp bud, real original. You got me real good there. Cut me real deep.


What’ll actually cut you real deep is when Matthews and Marner walk for nothing, cuz Dubas was genius enough to give both full NMCs in the last years of their deals at 26 years old, walking them to UFA with zero team leverage.
Don’t take my word for it though. What the heck do I know, right?
Dec. 2, 2022 at 9:16 a.m.
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Wouldn't be surprised at all if it's a bridge deal.


I think it would be smarter for MTL to get him locked up long term now. Smarter for CC to take a short term deal (3 years or so) and maximize his dollars on his 3rd contract. See how it plays out.
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