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Forum: Armchair-GM4 hours ago
Thread: Rossi has been made available
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logicalicesports</b></div><div>I think you are closer with:

Toronto Receiving: Rossi, Brodin, Gus and a third

Minny Receiving: Marner and Knies

I would say Knies has more value than Brodin but Brodin is certainly not a cap dump</div></div>

No way the Leafs trade Knies in a Marner trade or at all probably. They will already be trading Marner at a reduced rate, they won't add one of their top assets to the deal. It would have to be someone else. If they add Robertson and Liljegren, I think those two for Gustavsson would be fair with the year he had, neither guy has a contract though so maybe a pick would make more sense. Then it would be Rossi+Brodin for Marner. Minnesota is probably not going to be trading for Marner without him being willing to sign an extension sooner rather than later or one being in place beforehand. I don't think Rossi + Gus + a 3rd is going to cut it even if Marner was traded as a rental. Mainly because goaltending because goaltending isn't a major need and having Rossi instead of Marner would be a huge downgrade to the top 6. Brodin actually fills a need without hoping that some big ticket UFA D will sign with the Leafs.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: Right in the edge of being a power house
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Just my opinion, that the Leafs aren't going to resign Marner. Sure they offer him a contract, but Marner can get a better deal elsewhere. So yes in some ways, it's "on purpose", but really it's just spending the cap differently. Sure the Leafs can't replace the Marner production, but players like Knies, Woll, Holmberg need new contracts and have shown they can be long time NHLers. Leafs will be praying the ELC Cowan, MVP in the OHL, can be a good NHLer very soon
One reason I really hated the Leafs awful TDL trades, is they have traded away so many picks that the Leafs haven't had good ELC players playing above their contract. <strong> Every year it's the same, trying sign over the hill aging UFA son low salaries</strong></div></div>

Yeah, that's something that fans should worry about if Marner's 11M comes off the books via free agency. There might be guys like Chychrun or Theodore who are the same age or around, but imagine if they end up signing guys like Brent Burns and Orlov instead except the salaries won't be so low.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: Right in the edge of being a power house
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I'm kinda confused. Maybe teams don't let players willingly walk, but it's hardly the teams choice is it. It's ultimately the players choice of what 32 NHL teams he wants to play for.
But teams also decide on how to use their cap.
For instance if my wife and I have 100,000 to spend two vehicles......It could be Cadillac and a Corolla. but other choice is an Accord and Camry. What is better value?
It the same with the Leafs,,,,got 14m to spend on two players.....12m for Marner and a 2m Dmen or 7m for a RWer and a 7m Dman</div></div>

Lol, I misread the last line of the first post that I respond with and thought you were saying that the Leafs purposely lose Marner as an own rental, not that he leaves them. As for your question, which is better value depends on the overall impact that the pairs have with the team. If Marner leaves though, they have no choice but to try making the best of the situation.
Forum: Armchair-GM5 hours ago
Thread: Spending the 5th overall pick on Trevor Zegras because TVA Sports said so
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MoxNix</b></div><div>That
The top 10 isn't weak, it's pretty decent.</div></div>

It's stronger for defensemen though. If they can get a TWD with top pairing potential like Levshunov (maybe they view someone else as that guy like Sam Dickinson since he's likely not going to drop to them) with more offensive upside than Reinbacher then it would probably be unwise to draft a D-men since most of them are viewed as having a top 4 potential with top pairing upside or being OFD which they already have in Mailloux. They could go with the DFD specimen in Silayev (if he drops)but they might not want to considering that Reinbacher is solid defensively.

If they are drafting by need they are probably taking a C like Cayden Lindstrom. For wingers, maybe Demidov drops but with the Russian factor they probably pass like they did on Michkov and he's not guaranteed to be better than Zegras anyways. Eiserman has dropped in the rankings but he's still viewed as the best pure scorer, same thing I don't think he'll necessarily be better than Zegras but he's likely to be the much better goal scorer. They do have Caufield though, so it's a skill set that they already have even if Eiserman might turn out to be better. Then there's TiJ Iginla who is probably not going to be as good as Zegras skill-wise but might be a more complete player, taking him that high might prove to be an embarrassing mistake though.
Forum: Armchair-GM7 hours ago
Thread: Right in the edge of being a power house
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>At end of 24/25 Marner will have played in 9 seasons and will be 28 years of age. Leafs and team knows what is cap value is, and really doubt they are basing that assumption on "potential", they know what he is. Is Marner going to be any better at age 35? Not saying he is going to hit the wall, but haven't we seen on the Leafs will Tavares and Brodie this season, hitting the wall in their early to mid 30s.
Non playoff contenders trade their upcoming UFA for futures. Playoff/Cup contenders keep their upcoming UFAs and even trade for upcoming for a stronger Cup run. Leafs just have no urgency to trade Marner (though that would be choice) or resign him.</div></div>

I meant based on the potential of being able to sign other good FAs and still having a competitive team. The Leafs know that Marner is a top-line winger that's a superstar that teams pay big bucks for in free agency. Teams don't willingly let those type players go as own rentals and there's a reason for that. CGY didn't willingly let Gaudreau walk, the Islanders didn't willingly let Tavares walk, and CBJ didn't willingly let Panarin walk. Their teams were willing to pay them a ton of money, as opposed to their defensive counterparts in Pietrangelo and Hamilton who were let go when they didn't sign deals that their team were comfortable with. Although, I think even with Pietrangelo, the Blues expected him to cave.
Forum: Armchair-GM8 hours ago
Thread: Right in the edge of being a power house
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>You have to explain why the Marner in his contract would waive to Ducks in his contract year??
This bit about the Leafs...or any team, needing to trade or an upcoming UFA. Each year each teamsh ave sign about three UFAs, and they don't trade for these players. Each year each team loses about three of own UFAs and don't keep any compensation for them. Marner is no different.

Leave Zebras out of the trade, and Leafs like the trade a lot better. Rather have 11m in free cap, rather than Zebras and just 5m in cap. Or the Leafs do as what is expected....keep Marner as their "own rental" and come summer of 2025, Marner leaves as UFA and the Leafs spend his cap on other player(s)</div></div>

Only way the Leafs are letting Marner walk as a UFA by choice is if they can certainly get a big ticket UFA like Draisaitl or maybe Ekblad (his injury history should be a concern) coming back or a couple of star players that they really like (e.g Theodore + Buchnevich, or Chychrun). Chances of them knowing that before hand is slim to none. They could end up with 11M in ufa and the only guys interested in signing with them are mediocre players or good players that they have to overpay significantly.
Forum: Armchair-GM9 hours ago
Thread: Right in the edge of being a power house
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cab17</b></div><div>Marner who’s stock is lower than ever but will be considered an A player for a B+ player and 6M in cap space is a fair trade. Especially since there’s not many teams that would be enticing for marner to waive to. It’s either this or lose him to free agency…</div></div>

The cap space is entirely useless, unless a couple of impact UFA Dmen decide that they want to sign in Toronto. I don't think those guys are lining up to sign in Toronto knowing the heat and criticism they will get whenever they perform poorly. If the Leafs are then put in a position where they have to trade Marner to get compliant, I don't think Verbeek is offering Zegras. If Zegras was a defenseman, then maybe something like this could happen if Marner were to waive. The Ducks are far from being a powerhouse though, would probably be at least 2-years and even then they might not be.
Forum: Armchair-GM13 hours ago
Thread: CBJ and Vegas Trade What do you think
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dopplsan</b></div><div>
Hill is a career back-up with good-not-great numbers who found a spark with VGK. I wouldn’t gamble (no pun intended) on that translating to CBJ, given how much worse our D is.</div></div>

Adin Hill was once a promising goalie prospect who turned into a change of scenery candidate due to injuries, then found a "spark" with VGK after having a decent year with the Sharks. His numbers weren't really ever terrible considering his age, and some were pretty good. Wouldn't exactly call him a career back up when he seemingly broke out at age 26 which is stilll young for a goalie.

That being said I don't disagree that the Blue jackets shouldn't trade for him considering all the problems that they have as a team that need to be solved first and the fact that he still has injury problems. Don't think VG even considers though, Marchessault is probably let go or they trade someone else like W Karlsson.
Forum: Armchair-GM23 hours ago
Thread: A Tame Leafs Off-Season
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsradynasty</b></div><div>You crazy if you think Robertson gets you Kaliyev and a 3rd Snoop says he wants his stash back.</div></div>

Not really, unless someone wants to trade a 2nd or a change of scenery candidate (like Robertson) for him straight up. Blake called him out publicly even though he hasn't had much opportunity to play. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't get tendered a qualifying offer.

The two have similar production at the NHL level career-wise except that Robertson's production has gone up, while Kaliyev's has gone down. Kaliyev does have a large sample size of being as (or more) effective as Robertson. So, if LA has interest in Robertson then Kaliyev + a 3rd isn't farfetched if they don't, then Kaliyev + a 4th or 1 for 1.