That's a pretty lucky draw, they're not even that close to the bottom of the league, to win the draft lottery...

The trade with Colorado I believe is what he intended to bring in the 1st overall. He just used the wrong years.

Yep my bad. Should be 2017 1sts exchanged. Will fix that now.

No from COL.

Nobody's noticing when they trade a likely 1st overall pick.

Why the hell would the Avs do this?

Ya Avs are getting ripped here, also why are Leafs trading for a backup goalie?

In a normal draft Patrick would be an 7-10 pick. This draft year has the biggest bust potential. Plus the Avs are getting a legit shutdown C. Can't see how they are getting ripped. Why wouldn't they want a legit backup goalie?

Dirty, I respect you man but you gotta stop trying to fool everyone with hypno-logic. Yeah sure any player could be a bust but I and anyone else with a brain will gladly take their chances with the guy being compared to the next Eric Staal or at the very least a potential number 1 centre over Couturier who for being drafted so high and was so highly thought of when drafted, is turning out to be a little bit of a bust himself. You don't draft a 3rd line defensive shutdown centre 8th overall in the draft. Not when Mark Scheifele was drafted just ahead of him at 7th.

Raffl keeps getting thrown in these trades like he adds that much value. He doesn't, he's a top 9 forward who potted 20 once in his career because he got to spend time next to Giroux for a season and if he isn't given that opportunity again, he won't do much else for you on the 3rd line. Don't look now but Paul Byron is on his way to 20 goals this season too but let's not kid ourselves. He's a 3rd line player at best.

So this trade becomes Potentially a franchise centre in Patrick, a 3rd round pick and Grigorenko who at best is a 3rd line center himself with potential for Couturier, Raffl and a mid first round pick in a weak draft. Wheres the logic here for Colorado?

That 1st overall pick could be flipped at the draft for a LH stud dman if they wanted. Which they do really need.

Mid first round pick? Pick 5-8 isn't mid. That is where the flyers will be at the end of the year.

Just to comment on this. I believe Patrick was 4 days from being eligable for last years draft and had he been in the draft last year it was stated that he would have more than likely gone 3rd overall.

That's not what I heard on deadline day.

so youre an NHL insider now?

I heard from the panel on TSN but way to be a dick!

Couturier does in fact have real offensive upside...he has to play with players with a hockey IQ above 2. He played with guys like Read, Raffl, Laughton, Weise, etc. for almost the entire year. Those guys are all worthless, you said it yourself, Raffl doesn't have any value and nor should he. You expect Couturier to get 40-50 points playing with guys that shouldn't be on a team nor paid the way they are paid. Couturier was projected to be a top 5 pick in the draft but he got mono or something a week before the draft and his stock fell, thats how Philadelphia was able to grab him at 8th overall. If the flyers didn't have Couturier this year, their goal differential would be so much worse, it would be depression to even open the NHL app to check the standings.

I watched all of deadline day and I didnt hear one thing about the Avs shopping their 1st overall pick. Maybe the Flyers were shopping theirs but no way the Avs were moving theirs. I eat all the crow in the world where you can prove that there was talk on air of the Avs shopping their pick

So why trade him then???? Replace the crappy players around him, not Couturier. I know the whole Couturier story. I'm not down on the kid, I still like him. I just keep hearing way too much on here about how great he is defensively but hasn't sniffed a Selke, how great his upside is, hasn't scored more than 15 goals, that he is the reason why Philly isn't worse off defensively, yet Philly is one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

I dunno maybe he's just not as good as you think he is? (Not saying he is a bad player, just not as good as you think)




I believe it was in reference to HotNreadywings post not yours. He never said anything about the hearing the Avs were considering trading the pick.

Def not interested in the 1st ovr pick.

Would NOT do this at all. Neither player is the answer to our issue(s).

Giving up one of our best def C is abysmal. To wait to see if either pans out right away or if there is a wait.

There is NO quick fix. It'll be a 'long' game as per Hexy. Wait it out.

This is another horrid idea.

Ya you're right, no team ever wants or thinks a #1 centre is a good idea...

The Flyers are gonna end up with the 11th, 12th or 13th pick. The teams bellow them are trash and it'd be hard to finish below them without take zero points from our remaining games.

Patrick Nolan is also not a 7th round pick most years. This draft just doesn't have a generational talent like the last few have had but Nolan, Hischier, and co. are still great players.

I agree Couturier has value but not enough to essentially switch a top 3 pick to a 10+.

The teams below us might be worse but we have the hardest schedule remaining in the league. And I never said he was a 7th rounder.

Lol nobody said a 7th rounder. he said a 7-10 overall. Also, Coots is not a 1C and does not have the potential to ever be that. 2C is his ceiling and at best he will be an average 2C. He could be a 3C on a cup team, and a 2C on a playoff team end of story. Coots is never going to be a 50-60 point scorer so he won't win a Selke. He has two top-10 Selke finishes and those were seasons he scored 39 points so idk what the guy who says he hasn't sniffed a Selke is talking about? He's over halfway there without doing anything offensively which speaks for itself - I suggest a lot of people look at what Coots has done the last three years when matched against Crosby/Ovi/Tavares and then look at how he has shutdown Matthews easily this year in every meeting in addition to the advanced statistics. His defense is elite, his offense not so much which equals 2/3C. Hischier is better than Patrick and I'd probably take the Valardi kid over Patrick too so this trade isn't worth it for the Flyers because they are only getting the 3rd best center - let alone player.

Dangles, back to what I say to most of your trades. You value our role players a lot more than the rest of the league. Raffl/Read/Weise/Neuvirth are worthless to teams.. they are a dime a dozen and aren't going to be assets that tip the scale in a significant trade like this. The only players on this roster with trade value are Gudas, Ghost, Provorov, TK, Coots, Schenn, and Jake. Laughton/Weal/Cousins value is minuscule. There is zero value to be attained by the goalies, AMac/Manning, Weise/Raffl/Read/Filp/PEBs/Lyubimov. I'd even argue that Giroux is essentially worthless due to the contract. I'd rather move him for a single 1st round pick than move Coots and our 1st just to move up.

Nate please explain to me how you think that because of the contact of Claude Giroux he is worthless. That statement alone means that you think that we can get the same return for Giroux as we wold for MacDonald which is a bag of pucks

I look at it this way, Colorado wants a rebuild but they also need to be better defensively. What if they did this trade and decided not to move Duchene? They are now Mac/Duchene/Couts down the middle! That is an amazing way to start a rebuild! Skilled wingers are easier to come by than Centers. As for Raffl he could be taken out of this trade and pull the Avs 3rd out of that makes it more fair, even add a Flyers 4th or something if needed but we need a 2C! Filppula may not be as good as Couts defensively but he is no slouch by any means and has more offensive talent than Couts.