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Forum: Armchair-GMMon. at 11:27 a.m.

Thread: Toronto Maple Leafs

The question I keep asking but don’t get any real answer.
If Kakko is taking a 2m ish contract, why are we moving him for anything but a forward who’s better than him at 2m- ish. We have forward prospects, who are closer than a 23rd overall pick. We’re competing and he’s great value at 2m and change.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 30 at 5:59 p.m.

Thread: Flames

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cornbreadnhl</b></div><div>I didn't comment on the value. Drury loves Lindy and he is the exact type of player he wants on the team so no chance he trades him.</div></div>

I think drury values mobile defenseman more than someone like lindgren on a top pairing.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 30 at 5:47 p.m.

Thread: Flames

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Cornbreadnhl</b></div><div>Rangers are not trading Lindgren.</div></div>
Actually that seems fair value, I might consider using Pelletier and the rangers first to either move way up, or flip for another defenseman.
Our forward group doesn't really lose anyone aside from Kakko as an RFA, and I dont see him needing a huge contract.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 20 at 12:26 p.m.

Thread: With Chytil Returning

Im not sure we stick with Lindgren. I can easily see the rangers moving him for value and finding a better long term fit for LD.
He's played poorly and that contract looks like it would age very very poorly.

Also I'd rather give Kakko 5x5, since 3 years immediately into UFA and the cap hit isn't that much different. Especially if we're moving lindgren.
Also flip cuylle and vesey.
Cuylle is gonna be in the middle 6 at least.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 17 at 9:09 a.m.

Thread: turn it around while getting younger

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>You over value him.
Because the other way to say all of that you said is.. Yakapov 2.0</div></div>

You mean like everyone was saying that about Laf before this season?

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 16 at 3:54 p.m.

Thread: turn it around while getting younger

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LuckyMoneyPuck</b></div><div>I'd consider the rangers trade if they removed the draft pick.
Kakko just hasn't played well enough to be worth all that.
I put his value at about a 3rd. Which is about the value of acciari</div></div>

He’s 23 years old, he’s a high end defensive forward, who’s had a bad year but a career high of 40 pts with only 14m per game.
The rangers
1. Aren’t moving him in the division without a massive overpay.
2. Aren’t moving him for a 31 year old winger who provides less than he does.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 11 at 4:03 p.m.

Thread: Doing what Kent Hughes likes to do

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rags21</b></div><div>Rangers don’t need picks</div></div>

Not even that. If kakko signs that contract why would we move him? That’s a great short term bridge.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 11 at 9:59 a.m.

Thread: UtahCap Space

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsbeathabs</b></div><div>Why? SLC is a beautiful area cheap taxes very good living standards low crime rate good schools.</div></div>

Usually in those scenarios it’s that a player who’s signed long term, has settled into a community. Being forced to relocate against their will violates the spirit of that agreement, and the trust is lost.
It happened when Atlanta went to wpg, it took years to clear all the trade requests.

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 10 at 5:09 p.m.

Thread: quebec star

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>Okay, if that's the case, it's not but let's say it is. He's still out performing Laf while playing the same top line minutes. It's also funny because you would actually think it makes it harder for Slaf on a crap team because teams only have one line to focus their best defensive players against.

All in all, our player is younger, playing better and has a higher ceiling. Ranger add for all those reasons</div></div>

Lets compare age relative seasons.
D+2
Laf 79 games played
19 even strength goals
10 even strength assists
29 points at ES in 12:46 per game

Slaf
78 Games
13 Even strength goals
21 even strength assists
33 es points in 14:49

Im sorry, Slaf is not out performing Laf in any way shape or form at age relative seasons.
You want to compare not age relative seasons, and just 2023-24, Laf is at 56 points, slaf is at 48 with Slaf getting 2:59 of PP per game. If Laf had pp time, he'd be a 80-90 point player...

Forum: Armchair-GMApr. 2 at 12:57 p.m.

Thread: Rangers Draft Day

Laf has a shot at close to 60 even strength points. at under 4m for next season, thats an insane value.
Unless the starting offer is the 1st overall pick, and a top 6 roster player (which is a big overpay), theres no reason for the rangers to make that move.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 31 at 11:08 a.m.

Thread: Wings

I think Trouba is overpaid, Im not moving him for someone else whos overpaid but smaller.
Trouba is physical, and considering the rangers are in 1st place with him playing, his cap hit and play isn't a major issue.

Debrincat is not physical, is small, and while he had success in 9 playoff games, the sample size is so small (and he was playing with kane), that I dont have faith he can produce in the playoffs consistently.
He's also not getting PP time, which without it he'd have 41 points on the season.
I can find a 41 point scorer for a lot less than 7.5m cap hit.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 31 at 11:01 a.m.

Thread: Leon 24-25

The rangers dont do this at all because While straight comparing mika to leon, its not a close comparison, the amount of depth they would lose, plus the big incoming cap charge, makes absolutely no sense.
This would essentially be a bigger and worse version of the rick nash trade to NY, except Nash was signed for multiple years.
The rangers have an extremely deep and likely carefully managed cap. Trading away mika,lindgren, kakko, and berard would ruin that.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 29 at 11:00 a.m.

Thread: Wings

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Logicalicesports</b></div><div>You are taking about the kid that has less Points than Jonny Brodzinski? He isn't living up to expectations what so ever</div></div>

At 19 kakko put up more points than 30 year old brodzinski.
Kakko is currently elite defensively and struggling somewhat offensively (considering his line he’s basically all the offense)

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 9 at 11:43 a.m.

Thread: Habs Offseason

So at least hab fans are including a first round pick now. But no. This is still selling low on Kakko AND more importantly, thats a lot of mid, with a 1st rd pick.
The only thing I move Kakko for is a top 6 NHL player on a steal of a contract, or an A+ prospect.
The rangers are a top 3 Eastern Conference team, his play isn't dragging us down, his cap hit isn't dragging us down. We have 0 incentive to move him for less than an insane haul.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 3 at 10:49 p.m.

Thread: Sabres turn the page and become one the elites

Schneider is the Trouba replacement…

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 2 at 2:35 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>Well, I'm on the record as being willing to move someone like KJ if we can pick up someone like Adam Pelech.</div></div>
Kj is actually a higher end forward than I’d want to acquire and Lindgren isn’t pelech.

Forum: Armchair-GMMar. 1 at 4:01 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Viqsi</b></div><div>There are some veteran LDs I would certainly consider going for right now, so I wouldn't rule out that approach immediately. I'm not sure if Lindgren qualifies but he's not far off IMO. For me the sticking point is losing Mateychuk - I'd want to trade one of the forwards for such a guy.</div></div>
What forwards would you be willing to part with. My concept is giving us another young D in a few years.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 10:42 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AC14</b></div><div>You aren't paying heavy though. Remove the retention add 3 1sts and the Blues still don't do it. You're asking for an elite center that's 24 on a bargain contract as the cap is rising.</div></div>

Yup, thats exactly what Thomas is.
Now remind me how far into the playoffs he's carrying the roster you have?
STL is currently selling off. You sold off last year. You dont have any prospect better than the two being offered.
You're sitting in the dreaded middling of drafting. Not quite good enough to make the playoffs, not quite bad enough to get a bedard without an insane amount of luck, and youre also locked into contracts like Krug, which means you can't add another top end player from UFA.

So Yes the Blues should look at moving thomas now. Before he asks out and ruins any and all trade value, because you wont be able to make the playoffs in the next 5 years at this rate.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 10:23 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>noted</b></div><div>Im taking about the one for Thomas</div></div>

I understood that. I'm saying that offers worse than the thomas one. The Thomas one at least is valuing the player appropriately and paying heavy. The argument im getting is on the retention.
Which is why im paying heavy.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 10:22 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dk325</b></div><div>What the Jackets need is a coach that can figure out how special teams and defense work. They also need young players of Jiricek and Mateychuk's skill level to be around as key pieces when Fantilli is peaking. Trading away a player who actually fits the window when they're hoping to be a regular playoff contender for help today makes no sense.</div></div>

I dont disagree with the first point. I'll say that you can't have an entire team full of skill, and thats a big reason I think Lindgren would be a fit for CBJ, he would also be a really solid voice in the room who's been on a team in this exact situation.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 10:15 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>noted</b></div><div>Congrats - you win worst trade I have seen on Leap Day</div></div>

Iskhakov, Ruslan [RFA Rights]
2024 1st round pick (NYI)
2025 2nd round pick (NYI)

I dunno I just saw that as the offer for Zegras.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 10:14 p.m.

Thread: Zegras

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>OldNYIfan</b></div><div>Pick 11 - 15, future second, and a smurf is nowhere near enough for Trevor Zegras.

The first in the DeBrincat trade was 7th overall and the second was known. Here, the second is a speculative future.</div></div>

Cat is also a winger, Zegras a center.
Center tax is a thing.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 10:12 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan</b></div><div>No team would retain that much for 7 years. ANA doesn't need a regressing C for their young star in a rebuild. CBJ has no need to trade young prospects for older more expensive players given their rebuilding situation as well.</div></div>

I'll ignore the retention part for now,
ANA was open to moving zegras, his defensive liabilities are the reason hes been struggling. Mika is still very good defensively, putting him ahead of carlsson and McTavish would give them a much different roster composition and ready for the playoffs now, not in 4 years.

Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 29 at 10:09 p.m.

Thread: wild moves

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>Wild moves?? Another word would be more descriptive. Thinking Zibs waives his NMC for Ducks. Thinking Blues retain over 4m for seven years.</div></div>

Im aware that its heavy retention. thats why its two top prospects plus the first. The only type of deal that nets both of those players is something for someone like Mcdavid. Thomas isnt even a top 10 center. He's a very good center, I'd even say he's elite, but the only reason for those two prospects would be the retention.

Forum: Armchair-GMJan. 25 at 6:58 p.m.

Thread: NYR NSH

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>littlejerryseinfeld</b></div><div>He has 3 goals and plays 13 mins a night. Why should we give up anything of value for him?</div></div>

Because the rangers don't need to move him.
He makes under 2.5 he's gonna make under 2.5 next season. He's currently a middle 6 defensive first player, whos struggling to get his offensive touch back.
He's 23 years old. He's not 38 and terrible. He's a season removed from 40 points, while bringing high end defense to a team that struggles with that.
The rangers need to take advantage of a player who's making under 2.5m not move him for a player who immediately needs an extension.

You want Kakko, great, Overpay for him. We don't need to move him.

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