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Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3 at 11:55 a.m.
Thread: Necas is the Target
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>I wouldn’t. Again, that doesn’t really help the canes bc it’s solving a hole that doesn’t exist and then leaving them with less space than they had to solve the holes that still exist. I don’t think MTL and CAR make sense unless there’s a third team involved or CAR has a deal in place to immediately flip the futures they’d get in a MTL Necas deal for something they’ll actually need.</div></div>

So in that case the original deal is better. I'm assuming this would happen during the week of the draft, so you can flip the 26th overall pick + Mesar + Barron + whatever else you'd like into a top 4 RHD at the draft and keep Harris on your 3rd pair (at 1.4M) and Kovacevic as a 7D (at 750k) and I think Canes fans would really like both guys. Like Habs fans aren't eager to trade them, just have such a surplus at D right now.
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3 at 11:46 a.m.
Thread: Necas is the Target
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SociallyHawkward</b></div><div>Hawks decline. Keep your prospects and send chicago the 2nd for taking dvoraks cap hit. You get future considerations in return. Saying a player can be flipped at the deadline does absolutely nothing to his value right now.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Or...
The Habs attach a 2nd to Dvorak and keep their two bottom of the roster players the Hawks don't want anyway. The Hawks will keep the late 2nd two years from now.</div></div>

I don't thinks the Habs will have to pay to dump Dvorak. He has one year left at around 4.5 mil. I used the Hawks as a placeholder team but I think one of SJS, CHI, UTH, could easily take him and flip him at the deadline. He's not a bad player but has been a terrible fit in MTL. A 2nd was obviously ambitious but one can hope since Bergevin gave up a 1st and 2nd for him (sigh)
Forum: Armchair-GMJun. 3 at 11:43 a.m.
Thread: Necas is the Target
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>vikhodush</b></div><div>Don’t think the canes are going to move Necas in a deal for third pairing dmen and prospects/late firsts. In totality I’m sure the value is fine here but I’d bet the canes either keep Necas at this contract and give him top line minutes or trade him in a package to get a top 4 RD or a top 6 upgrade. Finding third pair dmen is easier than either of those.</div></div>

Would you prefer a deal centered around Mike Matheson? Even though he's a LHD? Something like Matheson+Barron+PIT 2nd (2025). I think the value is pretty similar but thought that Tulsky would like Harris and Kovacevic as they've had really good possession numbers together on a bad MTL team plus picks and prospects are good to have
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 5, 2022 at 6:07 p.m.
Thread: Rebuild Time
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>I'm not really a fan of Kravtsov's either, I don't see much potential in him, and his attitude makes him look like another Lias Andersson to me. He's just, well, meh.

I'm also a not a huge fan of spending massively to depth assets. Lehkonen, despite the fact that I like his game quite much (and just like me he's a Finn too), he's just exactly that. A depth asset. I just don't see depth assets warranting first rounders. Going through all trades involving first round picks in this decade, besides Tampa no one has moved first rounders for what was perceived as bottom-6 depth (or bottom-4 D-men). Tampa's dynasty is a such a special case in today's hockey, they're good enough to move higher picks to fill a specific need.

If Lehkonen is perceived to be worth more than, say a 2nd round pick and a meh prospect (like the usual depth players), MTL should just keep him. He's likely going to be worth more for you than anything you receive in a trade for him.</div></div>

That's how I'm looking at it. Until he started showing up in trade rumours with insiders saying that he could get us a 1st round pick, he was on my "players to keep list". I totally agree with you. I wouldn't want my team to spend a first round pick for a bottom 6 guy either but I wouldn't trade my guy for less...

Hopefully Kent Hughes has the same thought process
Forum: Armchair-GMFeb. 5, 2022 at 5:53 p.m.
Thread: Rebuild Time
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>justaBoss</b></div><div>Lehkonen is barely two years younger than Coleman was when he was traded. At 26 and 28 the age doesn't matter squat, they're basically at the same state of their career. Lehkonen being RFA is a plus, but not a massive one as his QO is still more expensive than Coleman's second year was, and a minority of contenders can afford paying $2,5M for bottom-6 players.

I'm not disputing Lehkonen's a good defensive asset, but he lacks the offensive prowess that would make him a top-6, or even a mid-6 asset worthy of a prospect+1st round pick. No contender would be able to pay that much for a 4th liner, which he'd most likely end up being in one of the teams with the strongest wingers in the entire league.

Plus if Kravtsov were as bad as you think he is, why would you even target the guy?</div></div>

I think Lehkonen has extra value because he is a proven playoff performer after the cup finals run last season where he played an important role on MTL's shutdown line with Danault and Gallageher where he was playing almost 20 minutes a night (not 4th line minutes). Plus the fact that he will be under team control after this season should increase his value. I think you may also be valuing Kravstov higher than me. His value has dropped significantly IMO because of the trade request and the rumored locker room problems he creates. His skill on the ice is why MTL would still want him.