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Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 3:16 p.m.
Thread: Cap Space Hell in VGK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blazingbat11</b></div><div>The reason a trade market for Barron is difficult, is because your statement in bold isn't possible. Barron requires waivers now. VGK couldn't just send him to the AHL, he'd go through waivers and most certainly get claimed.
And the reason Evans would interest VGK is because if they were to move Roy, they would still need to replace him. There's not much internal, so Evans is probably cheaper than what they would have to sign similar players to in free agency. Sure they don't "save" as much cap space from moving Roy, but they would have to spend money anyway. Evans at $1.7mil is better than having to pay... let's say... Teddy Bleuger (who put up similar numbers to Evans) probably around $2.5mil+ aav deal in Free Agency...</div></div>

Then, like I stipulated, they can sign him at 1M$ to 1.2M$ and have more cap space than Evans for a 7th defenseman who's RHD. I think they have Howden, and can start playing Brisson who gave them some good number last year for his short stint in the NHL and very good numbers in the AHL.

So for 1.975M$ they replaced Roy but gained an RHD and it's just 175K$ over Evans.

Again, it's not wrong to say Evans can get their attention, I'M just playing off of the cap and most possible savings without hurting the team. If both players needed to come up and pay at 1.975M$ vs one at 1.*M$ which you'll need to bring up someone, may as well have Barron at 1M$ than Evans plus another one at 975K$.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 3:06 p.m.
Thread: Building Off of HABITANTLECOLONs Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>You've seen that improvement already if you watched Caufield this year. From the start of the year to the end it was noticable in the defensive end. He wasn't cheating anymore, he was using his body better, breaking out better and was better in coverage. Those numbers won't show until he does it over the course of a full year but the eye test was there throughout the year. He will never be a great defensive player but I expect to see a more consistent effort in the defensive zone next year</div></div>

Yeah, not going against what you're saying, he did improve lots this year, but he still has a way to go for his play balances itself out to more respectful numbers. I was just saying that at this point Boldy is better at it now. Who know what will come down the line, hopefully Caufield can become HABS future St-Louis..
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 3:03 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 2:53 p.m.
Thread: Building Off of HABITANTLECOLONs Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Digitalbooya06</b></div><div>I don’t see any way the Wild would consider anything around Caufield for Boldy. We are tiny enough as it is.

If I was a GM and you called asking for Boldy and then listed Caufield (lol), Slafkovsky, Guhle (lol), Reinbacher (lol), Suzuki, and Engstrom (lmfao) as untouchable pieces, you are getting blocked.

*Edit: just realized you said on top of the 5th overall pick. So that at least makes a little more sense to me. I wouldn’t target the 5th overall pick though. The Wild need scoring help on top of Boldy. Not to detract from the already mediocre offense.

Both of your offers are a “no, and don’t call again.” The difference between 5 and 13 in this draft is less than the difference between Boldy and Caufield. Caufield is a one dimensional winger that isn’t good at anything other than offense, and he is still worse than Boldy at it. The Wild could literally just take a bigger Caufield at 13 in Cole Eiserman and not trade their 1st line player locked in at a lower rate than Caufield.</div></div>

But I never said anything about Caufield. It's the thread starter that indicated this. I said that I'd be surprised if Hugues pulled Caufield in a trade considering he's a development player at this point. Can't be blaming me for that ! LOL!
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 2:50 p.m.
Thread: Building Off of HABITANTLECOLONs Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>Just say you haven't watched Caufield play and save everyone the time lol</div></div>

Well, let's be fair here. Caulfield is one hell of a player for us, but I do see his point about is lack of pushing and playing the corners at this stage of his career vs Boldy. He's not as big and will gather that experience down the line, but right now, Caulfield is not that much off of being unidimensional player at this point in time.

I have confidence he'll gather that experience from St-Louis' coaching but .. While I wouldn't do a trade for Boldy and add a pick on top of that, Boldy does things a bit better defensively because of his size.

BOLDY NHL REGULAR GAMES ONLY STATS
SEASON GP G A P +/- PIM
2021-22 47 15 24 39 17 10 |
2022-23 81 31 32 63 1 39 |
2023-24 75 29 40 69 5 48

CAUFEILD NHL REGULAR GAMES ONLY STATS
SEASON GP G A P +/- PIM
2020-21 10 4 1 5 -1 2 |
2021-22 67 23 20 43 -24 10 |
2022-23 46 26 10 36 -10 2 |
2023-24 82 28 37 65 -4 16 |

While points are relatively in the same ball parks, Boldy is a contant + player and Caufield is in the - ..
You can blame that on teams being different, but Caufield's number show he needs to get better defensively at some point.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 2:33 p.m.
Thread: Building Off of HABITANTLECOLONs Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>I have absolutely no interest in any of the prospects you would consider giving up…at least not in a trade for Boldy. Maybe there isn’t a trade to be made here…

Serious question: how good is Guhle anyway? What do you consider his floor and ceiling?</div></div>

Exactly, don't think there would be something there. Don't even know why MIN would want to move him out in the first place either.

As for Guhle, experts say he's about to become the next TOP 2 defensive player of the year, and to be fair, he's only 22 and showed good signs of a top defenseman at his age. He's 6'.3" 200+ pounds so while he looks like a 10 year old, it seems he's built for the job.

Defensemen come to maturity around 27 years old. So my personal view on Guhle is that he's way ahead of where he should be. Will he be the next Makar, no.. Will he be the next Roman Josi, only time will tell. But for now and just based on what experts say, I think he'll most likely become a serious TOP 2 for the Habs with Reinbacher.

I just think it's too soon for anyone to properly evaluate his ceiling right now, 22 is young for a majority of defensemen. Only actual scouts would be able to answer that with a 50% chance of being wrong.. For us regular folks who see games on the TV and follow the puck instead of the player in the back, we're more than likely going to get it wrong 70% of the time if we're all honest about our reading player abilities.

Buddy of mine is Eric Landry, he scouted for the Junior leagues years ago before he jumped into coaching, and he could tell you if the guy who lost the puck three time in a game actually has good hands, but was unlucky on a bounce, while most of us saw a guy who lost the puck three times. It's very hard to determine.
Forum: Armchair-GMThu. at 2:18 p.m.
Thread: Cap Space Hell in VGK
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Black61</b></div><div>Thats a massive overpay for roy.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>ArakinSkywalker</b></div><div>if they're in cap hell wouldn't that mean you'd be able to get him cheaper? thats a pretty steep price even if they're not in a cap crunch</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Letsgosharks</b></div><div>holy overpay</div></div>

Agreed, but if I toss someone with a 2nd, SOME VGK fans will come here and indicate that I have taken in large amounts of dr*gs.. While an overpayment it would most likely be something good for the HABS.

Let's keep sight that I think Barron is done with the HABS and will be tagged as a AHLer since HABS are looking to Reinbacher, Mailloux and Engström first. So providing him with a chance to look at a team that would like his style of play, and low cap hit is considered a trade mark of Hugues throughout the league and players. Give the player a second chance, and they will talk about you in a positive light when other players ask you how their time there was like and if they should consider playing there.

The WIN 1st is late, so this trade for a 27yrs old NHLer from QC is a win for them. These picks can give you an NHLer or players who never crack the league. SO in a sense I think HABS would benefit from having a veteran player who's still young, and signed for three years (Incl this one).

The 3rd is to ensure the trade goes through and sends Roy to MTL instead of another team who could try to match.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Blazingbat11</b></div><div>Evans + 2nd or a 3rd for Roy is the max I'd offer.

VGK would be looking to replace Roy in their bottom 6 too. Evans would probably be their target with him being a cheap contract.</div></div>

Not saying you're off, but the only issue I see with this is that you're giving them cap hit which is what they need. At 1.7M$ trading them Evans gives them only 1.3M$. Giving them Barron offers them the possibility of trading him again, OR sign him to a two way contract (9750K$) and play him in the AHL until he's better on the defensive side of his play, or sign him at 1M$ to 1.2M$ and have more cap space.

The other point of the first vs 2nd as you say I explain a bit higher. But I'm not saying you're wrong. I more than likely start with a 2nd and 3rd with Barron and may end up with a 1st and 3rd plus Barron.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:43 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:22 p.m.
Thread: Reunion
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Necas would get rental Marner 1 for 1 probably, because of the cap offset, and Marner being a renowned playoff ghost, but that's a bad example. They're not taking futures for Necas. End of conversation, don't pipeup unless you know what you're talking about.</div></div>

Marner for Necas one for one.. And you think Marner would just pick up and leave without an extension? You're dreaming.. LMAO!!

Necas for Marner.. 1 for 1.. OMG.. Treliving gets fired on the spot.. When I said Marner for Necas and a 1st no conditions, I should have underlined that this would be a base line for Toronto to start having conversations and then ask for more..

Like you said.. don't pipeup unless you know what you're talking about.. Ish..
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 2:14 p.m.
Thread: Building Off of HABITANTLECOLONs Idea
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>MNBassman</b></div><div>You make great points, but Boldy is bigger, a better all around player, and on a better contract. I asked for Guhle in an earlier trade and got a lot of…resistance to it from Habs fans so I didn’t use him here, but I would consider Boldy and the 13th for Guhle and the 5th (with tweaks, as needed).

What is your opinion of this: Boldy and the 13th for Guhle and the 5th, regardless of who is available?</div></div>

LOL! I can see why you got grief, lots of peeps here just go off and use sarcastic remarks or insults. I think there are players right now that Hugues seems to want to keep and ride it out. Suzuki, Caufield, Slaf, Guhle, Reinbacher.. All of these seem to be the base level they want to build on or around. Engström just got signed, so I think they'll keep him to evaluate him first.

So you kind of fall under the:
Prospects - Mailloux, Struble, Harris, Barron, Norlinder (to add for show and not of any real value, mostly a fresh start), Beck, Mesar, Roy, Kidney and Struble.
NHLers - Anderson (Could be a better fit under the MIN style of play), Dvorak (50% retention), Armia, Evans, Gally (Min would wonder why they'd move on that). Kovacevic..

I even wonder if Hugues would ever consider Dach or Newhook for moving down 8 spots to get Boldy.. I would.

Problem here is that HABS want a top level forward, Boldy is just that, but the net worth of moving down and giving up one of their most prized players is something that I feel like they won't do. They traded Romanov for the 13th, then moved it to acquired Dach which to this day hasn't played well in their favor. We keep hearing how Dach is one hell of a player Habs have been waiting for, but that's the point, we've also been waiting for him to play more than 60 games a season, and that 58 games, while there was hype, I don't see it that much with his total contribution of 38 pts. I really hope he's as good as they think he is to got rid of Romanov who put up a great +13 and +23 in his last two with the NYI.

I think they are willing to trade both WIN and CAL's picks, maybe even their 2025 1st for him, but a top 5 here + one of those mentioned above when they have one of three players they want and may end up with in this draft is something they may not want to pass up on, even for Boldy. I think you have to see it as leaving a top 5 player you want, plus a top assets, regardless of being Guhle, Reinbacher, Caufield, Suzuki, etc.. for one player.

They would rather have Boldy play with Suzuki or Dach, with Caufield or Newhook with the blue line of Reinbacher, Guhle, Matheson, Savard (maybe), Xhekaj and some that wouldn't be included in the package.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 1:10 p.m.
Thread: Reunion
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caniac2000</b></div><div>Okay... why don't YOU flip those assets for a player the Canes are interested in? LeBrun reported that the Canes do not want futures, that's a fact. The Canes want a star player for Necas. So, being realistic, the Canes pass. Don't try and pipe up if you don't know WHY fans are saying what they're saying</div></div>

Also said they may not get what they want in return. So don't try and pipe up if YOU don't know what would interest the Canes if it's put on the table once every other team pass on giving up a star player for a up and comer who had one 70pts year, and got 53 the next with a 5 game difference, which are both his best out of 5 years. Hurt or not, 20 pts is a lot unless and arm and a leg were falling off of him.

If Canes want an actual star player for him they'll most likely need to pay with a 1st round pick. Let's say Marner... Necas ain't gonna be one for one. He'll go to TO with a 1st round pick no conditions on it...
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 12:27 p.m.
Thread: Building Off of HABITANTLECOLONs Idea
I sincerely don't see why MTL would move back and give up Caufiled, then send a third for a fourth for a guy who basically put up the same points in a few less games? I mean Boldy is a great player, but to add Caufield to the 5th overall and move back 8 spots would not be worth it.

To move Boldy to Habs I think it would most likely be another player outside of Caufield, Slaf, Guhle, Reinbacher, Suzuki, and Engström if they want the 5th overall...

To get the 5th vs 8th, I think Habs could potentially put up Barron, Mailloux, Harris, Beck or Mesar of the Prospect pool, plus either Anderson or Armia (Which MIN would turn down), or Dach (But that's a big gamble since I don't know if Hugues still wants to gamble on him with the medical issues he faced and if MIN would want him).

Maybe something like:
Boldy+MIN 1st VS Mailloux, Beck+HABS 1st+CAL 2025 1st
OR
Boldy+MIN 1st VS Mailloux, Beck+HABS 1st+AVS's 2024 2nd

I just don't see MTL moving out of the Caufield train for a player who puts up the same amounts of points at this time. Even if he's bigger.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 12:09 p.m.
Thread: 24-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>dgibb10</b></div><div>Not about getting more quantity. It’s about not moving a top 10 pick where a late 1st will do.

Montembault isn’t on the block, but his value would be around a late 1st.

Newhook around the price paid for him.

2025 1st+Holtz+3rd for Newhook+Montembault

Or if you really want to give up a top 10 pick, Newhook+Montembault for 10th overall.</div></div>

Personally I think that the situation here would be even more just based on the fact that Monty got a contract extension under Hugues plus played very well last year considering the team in front of him, and Newhook was one of his prize trade for a late 1st and an early 2nd (and Fairbrother, but really.. he doesn't count). Their value was also raised over the season.

So I just think that Hugues would want that 10th overall, plus another 1st from either of the 2025, 2026 or 2027 seasons, then add a 2nd on top of it, plus Holt... Let's be fair, he may be a 7th overall, but it was in 2020 and he just played his first NHL full season and it was ok, not good, but ok. He's 22 so he can develop to be a beast or just stay at his current level. He didn't break any records in the AHL nor did he do good in the International this past few weeks. So his value is most likely down unfortunately, even if potentially he could be high.

Please note here that I'm not saying this would be a fair offer for the Devil, I think it would be a total gross overpayment, but the situation being that the Habs don't have a no 1 goalie right now, Primeau showed good signs last season, but also showed potential for a 2nd goalie skills on some occasions, so they'll want to keep Monty for this and next year for sure unless the other teams is willing to give up a gross overpayment. Unless they have a UFA goalie in mind for this summer, and I only see 3 candidates under 30 having played more than 20 games and they don't seem like potential targets for them.

Newhook, they'll want that mid to late 1st for him, and a 2nd for sure. And again, won't want to move him since he's one of the building blocks for the rebuild that Hugues has in his head.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 10:24 a.m.
Thread: WHat about Bob
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>And the essence of my point is that if you're initiating a discussion on these grounds, you've also brought nothing to the table.</div></div>

Basically, you can't understand what the whole process here was about. I can't even continue underlying this for you but it's about WHAT THE HABS WOULD BE ABLE to PROVIDE IF they went in WITH THESE CONSIDERATIONS... Not what will happen.. Hope the CAPS help.. If you don't like it and just bring nothing on top of nothing thinking saying I brought nothing is valid, it's just a matter of you starting to think about not commenting and moving to another AGM and try to provide something to theirs instead of just underlying the fact I indicated this trade would not happen in the real world since he's worth more which means Habs can't make a play for him because of certain factors.. *facepalm*

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>And that brings us to the crux of the issue: my perception of your knowledge of EDM's situation as a whole.

1.) You only "know" this in so far as you trust the dubious media from which this "report" came. Do you know where it came from? A radio host who had a conversation with Georges Laraque (who has no official connection to the Oilers or their players) where, according to Laraque himself, the radio host twisted what he said re: Drai "wanting to play in BOS/as a 1C" (<a href="https://oilonwhyte.com/posts/edmonton-oilers-rumors-leon-draisaitl-leaving-bruins" rel="nofollow noreferrer noopener" target="_blank">https://oilonwhyte.com/posts/edmonton-oilers-rumors-leon-draisaitl-leaving-bruins</a>). It comes across as disingenuous to use that as a foundation for anything.</div></div>

1. You haven't been keeping up with Laraque's info, he corrected the report indicating he only suggested a team like BOS.

PS. While I take what Laraque says with a grain of salt on a regular basis, he does have ties with teams and players. EDM and elsewhere. While we may have an opinion on Laraque, he's still friends with a lots of people, this confirmed by a current NHLer who's folks live a few houses down from here, and I knew as he was growing up. Laraque said something back in 2021 and I asked him if Laraque is saying this just for show, since it was concerning him, and he confirmed that Laraque does like to spice things up, but lots of players talk to him because on a personal basis, he's a great guy that does help some get through tough times.. And what he had said was spot on and didn't come from the kid himself. In the end, the thing he said was done and he was on his way to his first NHL game. BTW Laraque will stir things up for show, but some of his info he clears before with some players to ensure he doesn't hurt them.

I ain't saying he's got full on ties with that Draisaitl info, only saying some of his info does come from trusted sources from time to time and looking at their cap space, players they would need to move out who are longer terms but other teams won't take because of the terms length and money attached to them this could line up given he won't sign for less than now. Doesn't mean what he reports happens all the time since players change minds, agents help 'em make new decisions and GM come in on different terms, etc.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>2.) Oilers fans are going to take the basis of your idea as faulty on the basis that, as far as we're concerned/understand, moving on from Draisaitl practically guarantees that McDavid won't be sticking around, either. As such, any move involving Drai practically necessitates the mindset that we'll also have to move on from McDavid. This fundamentally changes the calculus involved in any such trade and means that what we'd be looking for in such a trade would be based on NOT still having McDavid. Your scenario is about "filling out the depth" behind McDavid, but that foundation is already practically gone. What EDM fans are going to be selecting for is getting back assets that will form the foundation of the post-McDrai Oilers alongside guys like Bouchard, Hyman, Nuge, and Nurse.

With that in mind, the pieces I (and likely others) see as potentially contributing to that foundation is the 5th overall (someone like Catton, Iginla, or Dickinson), Beck (a likely solid 2/3C which is great, but not a foundational piece), and Mailloux (whose long-term role will already be occupied by Bouchard). The other 1sts are nice pieces to build with but are far less certain of assets and the rest (Harris, Kovacevic, Evans, and Primeau) come across as window dressing. Your suggestion that EDM can simply go out and sign UFAs for the extra cap space also rings hollow. You may not grasp exactly how unlikely that becomes in a post-McDrai world. Suddenly, EDM is back to being among the least attractive UFA destinations so any thought of getting an impact player through UFA is sullied by the likelihood of having to overpay to do so.

<strong>To conclude, the suggestion of a Draisaitl trade implies a degree of paradigmatic shift in EDM that opposing fans don't sufficiently consider in their proposals.</strong></div></div>

Draisaitl moving on doesn't mean McDavid leaves. It will depend on money and team they build around him and teams that may be interested in him for his next contract. You're implying that McDavid will suddenly want to leave also.. If he's happy in EDM he won't. If the team shifts from two top league scorer for more defensive power and give him another run at a cup (Hoping they win this year..) he may want to stay on. It will only happen if EDM open up the money train and offer him a winning team behind him. If not, who knows. You certainly don't insinuating he wakes up and starts questioning his life and wants out because a friend left. He's a professional hockey player who has a huge home in Alberta, maybe he's ok with it like soooo many players before him who lost their little buddy due to cap situations.

<strong>Making something bold seems like you are making a big point about a paradigmatic shift in EDM but this shift you seem so weary about can actually make them more responsibly on the defensive side if they play their cards right..</strong>

So your perception of <strong>my</strong> knowledge of EDM only underlines my point of this AGM... A simple what if the HABS were in talks, and what would they offer if the conditions I put up were a factor, which means they would most likely won't get... But I've told you this many times over and you still aren't clicking on this point.. oh and please don't indicate "Oilers fans".. Most seem to have gotten the point of the topics at hand, and understood it. Other may have not and moved on to another topic because for them it doesn't matter. So don't speak on the behalf of everyone, you only speak on your behalf, and maybe a few others. Accept responsibility for your thoughts, and not include everyone else under your way of thinking.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 9:31 a.m.
Thread: Lets do crazy blockbusters for fun
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WastingTimeWithTradeNobodyLikes</b></div><div>caufield isn't as physically strong as marchesseault and doesn't ''play big'' like him. not the same kind.</div></div>

NOW THAT'S FUNNY!!

Marchessault played 56 total NHL games (incl. Series) during his first 3 NHL years, 20 pts total. He played 7 series games in two years for 1 pt (a pass).

Caufield in his 3 first years in played 143 games (incl. series) and brought in 96 pts (incl. series). He played 20 series games and put up 12 pts.. in his first year..

Last year, his 4th on a team being rebuilt, Caufield got 65pts in 29 games and a -4, Marchessault, his 11th year on a cup contending team, got 69pts in 82 games and a -2..

Caufield is 23 and in full development, which means learning to play big, get into those corners and gain some weight for taking hits.
Marchessault is 33 and fully developed and as learned how and most important when to get into those corners.

Caulfield's 4th year in: 81 games 65pts and -4
Habs Record 23-24: 30-36-16 (76 points), 8th in NHL Atlantic Division

Marchessault's 4th year in: 75 games, 51pts and -21
Panthers Record: 35-36-11 (81 points), Finished 6th in NHL Atlantic Division

You say that they are not the same kind, but can you even figure out what you are comparing? You're talking about a guy who is 33 and learned to play big, vs a guy who's just in the league, 4 years in

So comparing Caufield to Marchessault at their start shows that both aren't playing big, but Caufield as one hell of a head's start and would even be considered better than Marchessault at the same time in their careers. Saying he's not going to be like Marchessault is funny, because in the end, he's got a full head start over Marchy and can most likely become that guy who can go into corners, make plays and not just a sniper. Players learn over time when and how to get in there, coaches may be advising him to steer clear of that type of play until he learns how to do it efficiently without being injured.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 8:35 a.m.
Thread: WHat about Bob
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SupremeBone</b></div><div>I'm afraid it's you that interpreted sarcasm where it wasn't present. I can see how the use of the quotations might come across as such, but that wasn't the intention. I just think you're genuinely misapplying the term "high potential Dman" to Harris and Kovacevic. One is a solid, young puck mover but nothing about his game or toolkit suggests a high potential and Kovacevic is what he is: a solid 3rd pairing RD.

As for the bit about not reading the description, what's the point of posting a trade proposal for one of the league's premiere players when you take all of your most valuable assets off the table? You take yourself out of the running by virtue of adopting this hypothetical and your stated reasoning of "EDM wanting to save cap" doesn't really make sense as Reinbacher could still be included without adding to the cap.</div></div>

"This trade is only to reflect what Habs would most likely be able to give up if we come to the conclusion that Hugues would not trade Suzuki, Caufield, Guhle, Slaf, Hutson, and Reinbacher." - If you bring in any of these players while reading this first line, then you're not bringing anything to the table.

".. able to get some of Draisaitl's money to sign someone like Lindholm or another UFA to help them out at the blue line".. This is where most people don't read this context then reply to any of these AGMs and are completely oblivious to their team gathering assets, moving money out and then with that cap loose bring in one or two UFA to actually fill out a role that's missing from their team. Instead they, like you, would bring back a comment like "Yeah but you need to include Caufield, Reinbacher, Guhle and the rest of your team's future!" ... Which is basically Not what team's do when they trade unless it's a major overhaul like the Huberdeau deal that changed the Panthers. Calgary had to move out Tkachuk or lose him, and Panthers had Huberdeau who was movable with that extension he got, and would not from FLA.

Habs will keep their base players they want to build up against, Reinbacher being a Hugues pick last year would most certainly be one of those players. Heck for some reason, I think he wouldn't even move out Dach for some reason even though he played half a season in two seasons..

"Relax EDM fans, I don't see this happening and know Draisaitl is worth lots." - This basically indicates that given the conditions I put up up in the Team's comments, should indicate to you that I know what I'm giving isn't worth the value on Draisaitl since he's worth more. But how much more? The thing about this type of player is that you'll never get the real return for him. He's on another level, so if EDM aren't able to convince him of extending with them, given the money he's going to ask for and Cap space they have, they'll need to make a very hard decision, either get good level NHL players that may help, or take in assets to plug lower end holes they have, but gather picks for the future (and a 5th overall is something that needs to be considered when moving a potential 0 return at UFA), then use that cap to sign a valuable UFA that isn't going to ask for over 10M$/yr and will actually change your defense.

You also need to consider other aspects as well, I'm doing Habs side, once this is done EDM signs, let's say, Lindholm but could also move another player and one or many of the picks they just got off of the Habs to get more return on value from this move.

It's as if people think we trade Dvorak with 50% retention, and think that their team is suddenly stuck with Dvorak and reply back "XYZ TEAM says no! We have no use for Dvorak! Even at 50%!" and don't even see that he is a valuable player, but not at his current cap hit. If Habs trade with 50% to team X for a 5th round pick, then Team X retain again on him and trade him to team Z, then suddenly team X may have given up a 5th round pick, but in return they may get a 3rd since the last team want him at that price on a third or fourth line making him suddenly be used in the role he can fit in.

This trade is exactly that, EDM trade out Draisaitl for less than he's worth, but in return get high value since they can move prospect players they got, or move out other players that these guys can fill in, plus use those picks to trade up again or move for something else. Hence why Utah currently has so many picks, they may use these to get players, or pick a ton of prospects.

Either way I clearly indicated that this is a situation where EDM go for something else than NHL ready players since most teams won't give up their star players to bring in Draisaitl, since they want him to play with them. EDM will need to play the year out, or consider a trade if they want return before it's too late. All we know is that it was reported that he wants to be a top Centerman on his team, and clearly you can't when you have a McDavid in front of you. Habs have Suzuki, who, even if some fans think he's a first class no 1 centerman in the NHL, I think is more of a high caliber second line C on a contending team.
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 10:30 a.m.
Thread: Cap Hell
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>Chicago literally just paid a 2nd to move up two spots in the first round and 4 spots in the second. This is moving up 7 spots in the first round, that would require more then a 3rd as the price has already been set</div></div>

Valid point, but also different teams.

Some will have no issues moving up or down depending on the return value to their roster.

I think Harris + WIN's pick would be enough for VGK to move on this type of trade. Harris as shown high potential, is a 23 yr old Left or Right Defenseman so is still learning and will be coming to maturity in 2 years from now. If VGK can get him now, extend him for 3 to 5 years at a 2M$ to 2.5M$ cap hit, they may come out of this trade as the winners.. But, everything is based off of what would the VGK need now, and can they make it work with him. They do tend for the bigger guys, so Harris would be out of that trade right off the bat.

They may ask to switch and ask for Barron, + WIN 1st + PIT 2nd round next year if they want a bigger guy with offensive potential and develop him on the defensive side.
Forum: Fauteuil - DGTue. at 10:16 a.m.
Thread: Pere noel
I would think that Detroit would match that offer, I'm even thinking they'll offer a bit more if he signs a long term deal.

As for Matheson, I don't think he's a player Hugues wants to trade at this point, that pick may change his mind, but I have a feeling he wouldn't. While some CHI fans will say that Hawks decline, they have no clue of his actual value. 18th pick is pretty much a good spot for his value.

As for Evans and Montembeault, I'd keep them. Evans is always reliable, and Monty is developing very well. He'll be a very good 2nd tier 1st goalie. If Habs do actually get the value they think of their current blue line prospects and finally get a good solid NHL top 4 in 2 years from now, You won't need a high caliber Goalie, you'll need someone who's reliable and able to stop pucks which I think Monty will be. He won't become a Brodeur, Roy or Price, but he'll be a good goalie for a contending team with solid defense.