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Forum: Calgary FlamesFeb. 21 at 7:54 a.m.
Forum: NHLJan. 17 at 5:51 p.m.
Thread: Salary Cap Needs to be Revised
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>NHLfan10506</b></div><div>I am 100% in favor of free markets

But NHL is not a free market. It is very much a closed market. It’s a legally permitted monopoly, that avoids anti-trust regulations by negotiating various terms with government (on of them being no contraction). There is no way for teams to disappear as long as the league is still active. And there is no way for a team to be added to league, unless owners award another franchise. It’s not like Soccer, where the Hersey Bears win AHL on year and play against NHL the next.

To eliminate the salary cap, the choice would have to be unanimous. Dissenting teams can still block. So the path to changing cap is for specific cartel of teams walk away from CBA (or from league altogether)

If the bottom third of the league falls off, the league loses fans, their eyeballs and their revenue. So if the overall size of the NHL pie shrinks, the TV contracts will shrink. The gate revenue will shrink by having fewer venues. Everyone will make less money from league-wide HRR. But everyone will have fixed costs in their market. They have buildings, practice facilities, staff, etc. They will very likely see revenues shrink a lot faster and lower than their liabilities. So the clubs with the largest operations (big arena, start of art practice facilities, huge scouting staff, lots of comfort, lots of high-tech) that spend the most will end up cutting the most. Their ‘advantage neutralized’. Eventually, many will likely move to the more attractive locations. Taxes will become a larger determinant for selection locations. Teams that want to build new arenas, or make other big ticket expenditures, will have less asses to public money (since anti-trust agreement was broken). So they will have to self finance with much higher interest rates since any loans would not be co-signed or backed by the league. So if your arena needs help, you team most likely movies cities. If your taxes are high, your team likely moves cities. If you team has big operational advantage in cap era, it becomes liability in post-cap era.

There will be different teams in the league every year. “Start-up” clubs will appear, disappear. Existing owners, no longer compensated for new entrants would now be competing with them, not only in the ice, but off the ice ice well. Targeting one franchise to fold would be their goal, obtaining their players, arenas, or revenue streams would be the motivation.

As clubs will be changing cities often, and with the high franchise mortality rate at bottom of league, that will also impact player contracts. The overall pie will shrink, so their AAV will go way down. But will such-year-to-year uncertain, term will likely trend toward average length of below 1.5 (meaning a majority of SPCs will be without term). That means more players will be shuffling around year-to-year, market-to-market. Eventually, that will have the effect of reshuffling the deck each year for a very large portion of the league. No cap, means no limits on contract amounts. So they top guys will get paid. But also means guys at bottom will not. The bottom third of the league would look like AHL. For example,

- Top 5%: stars making very high salary
- Next 30%: NHL talent making NHL salary
- Next 35%: NHL talent making AHL salary
- Next 20%: AHL talent making AHL salary
- Last 10%: AHL talent making ECHL salary

League GINI index rises considerably. In that scenario, salaries of the lower half of league will decline. Lower pay will draw in less talent. Today, we have 32 teams with 23 roster spots. That 736 NHLers league wide. In the post-cap scenario, there would be about 300 fewer spots, and another 100 or so getting replaced by cheaper talent. (Eventually, many of those NHLers probably migrate to AHL, which would no longer be an affiliated league but a rival league mirroring late 1970s WHA).

Any intrinsic advantages one club may enter this post-cap era with would quickly be disappear. Within a decade, the league would be unrecognizable, third rate, poverty league. The following decade, after years of kids bailing in the sport, will see huge decline in quality. A decade after that, professional hockey will limited to a handful of local, semi-pro leagues in northern US and Canada.</div></div>

Oh I agree with all you posted and that the owners will never go to a free market...I'm just saying that's what I'd choose anyways if I was an owner or a player and as lifetime fan...
Forum: NHLJan. 15 at 11:07 p.m.
Thread: Salary Cap Needs to be Revised
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Pompadour_de_Armstrong</b></div><div>There is no point in the cap system in hockey if you're letting teams spend 25% or more above the soft cap for a third rounder. Big markets should be able to flex their wallets for a competitive advantage, but in a way that is not broken. Give them a small percentage of extra space available up to a hard cap, and make them pay for it. Builds parity and helps small and new markets get their feet under them. Also sends franchise values through the roof, which is the real reason billionaires buy teams. It'd also help if the league wasn't brain dead in their efforts to market the sport. Everybody is more competitive, and everybody is happy.</div></div>

I see what you're saying but I'd rather see the free market kill off bad markets and let rich markets spend as much as they want...survival of the fittest is what I wanna see in sports...
Forum: NHLJan. 15 at 6:56 p.m.
Thread: Salary Cap Needs to be Revised
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Leafsfan98</b></div><div>??? You said "pretty much anything else is better than what the NHL has now" and I responded with a worse solution and you said no bc it's not happened before?

And the MLB doesn't have a salary cap and look at the Dodgers and Yankees</div></div>

Regarding MLB not having a salary cap I think that's just more proof that even in non salary cap leagues like the MLB spending like the Yankees and Dodgers doesn't win them more championships than the other teams...

As for what I quoted you...I said anything would be better than what the NHL has now and you said having no salary cap would be worse...so I guess we disagree on that since you rather have a cap whereas I don't want a cap...well we'll just have to agree to disagree on that then...
Forum: NHLJan. 10 at 5:36 p.m.
Thread: Salary Cap Needs to be Revised
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5 takeaways from Nylander's extension with Leafs

The Toronto Maple Leafs signed winger William Nylander to a franchise-record eight-year, $92-million extension Monday. Several ramifications from the deal affect the Leafs and the rest of the league. Let's dive in.

Leafs pay top-end value for another star player

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Nylander is amid his best season, tallying 21 goals and 33 assists through 37 games, tying him with Connor McDavid for the fifth-most points in the league. Leafs fans should be ecstatic that a homegrown star wants to spend his entire career in Toronto.

But the Leafs aren't exactly getting any hometown discount here.

Nylander entered this season having never finished higher than 20th in league scoring. Since his emergence in 2021-22, he ranks 14th in points. Still, Nylander's $11.5-million cap hit will tie him for the fifth-highest-paid player in the league.

The most recent comparable is David Pastrnak - he and Nylander are the same age and play the same position. Signed 10 months ago, Pastrnak's deal with the Boston Bruins was also for eight years but with an $11.25-million cap hit. However, Pastrnak already had a 48-goal, 95-point campaign under his belt and was amid a season in which he finished as the Hart Trophy runner-up.

Pastrnak's pact was worth 13.64% of the cap ceiling when he signed the contract (13.5% of 2023-24's cap). Nylander's deal is worth 13.77% of this season's cap ceiling and 13.1% of 2024-25's projected cap. In a nutshell, the contracts are mighty close despite Pastrnak's longer track record of elite production.

Perhaps the Leafs could've saved about a million dollars per year had they reached an agreement with Nylander in the offseason. But this has been a consistent theme for an organization that hasn't been able to win negotiations with Auston Matthews and Mitch Marner, either, relative to other superstars around the league.

Getting Nylander signed is still far better than the alternative of trading him or letting him walk, and it shouldn't be a poor contract by any stretch. However, Nylander's camp clearly didn't do the Leafs any favors given that the deal also contains a full no-movement clause and bonus-heavy structure. No one should blame Nylander considering Marner and Matthews did the same thing, though. Why should he be the one to cave? Toronto just doesn't have the cap culture other teams do in which stars are open to taking slightly less for the group's betterment.

What does this mean for Marner?

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Speaking of Marner, he's up next for the Leafs. Marner and John Tavares will be eligible to sign extensions on July 1 before becoming unrestricted free agents in 2025. Tavares will be in his mid-30s and likely sign for far cheaper than his current $11-millon cap hit if he stays in Toronto. The same can't be said for Marner.

Marner took the Leafs for every dollar on his current contract, receiving a $10.9-million cap hit over six years. His next deal may not be much higher considering the cap has barely increased since then.

If Nylander continues at his current pace for the rest of the season and finishes with around 120 points, it'll be tough for Marner to justify exceeding Nylander's cap-hit percentage. Marner has never recorded 100 points in a campaign.

Marner is a better defensive player than Nylander, but contracts are often based on production. Marner could go off in the second half or have a torrid start to 2024-25, but if he doesn't, his next contract should come with a cap hit far closer to Nylander's than to Matthews' $13.25M AAV. Reports indicated that Marner wanted his current deal to be paid closer to Matthews' previous contract. That's difficult to imagine this time around, with Nylander pulling himself ahead of Marner this season.

Pettersson seeing dollar signs

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Vancouver Canucks superstar Elias Pettersson is likely next in line to cash in. Pettersson won't be a UFA until 2025, but he's a pending restricted free agent eligible to sign an extension at any time. Nylander's deal should be music to the ears of Pettersson's camp.

Pettersson is coming off a 102-point season and is on pace for triple-digit points again. Not only is Pettersson two years younger than Nylander, but he also plays the much more valuable position of center. And Pettersson has a strong two-way game that resulted in a seventh-place finish in Selke Trophy voting last year.

If Pettersson signs for the maximum eight-year term on his next deal, the cap hit should start with a 12. He deserves it.

2024 UFA class gets weaker

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Nylander was the cream of the crop among the 2024 UFA class. There are some intriguing names after him, but Nylander was the one star player who could've single-handedly transformed a franchise.

While nobody else in the class deserves to reach Nylander's $11.5-million cap hit, his contract should help other pending UFAs maximize their full earning potential.

Players like Sam Reinhart and Jake Guentzel, both in their primes, should see handsome paydays. The same goes for productive veterans Steven Stamkos, Matt Duchene, and Jonathan Marchessault on shorter-term deals if they test the market.

👉Hard salary cap remains bad for hockey👈

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Fans and media members are guilty of analyzing and debating the salary when a contract like Nylander's is signed. But it's a fair thing to want to do in a league with a hard cap where every $100,000 is mightily important.

It shouldn't be that way, though. Fans, in particular, should be able to enjoy a player committing to their favorite team instead of nitpicking over the details.

The NHL is the only major sports league with a hard salary cap, and it lags significantly behind the NFL, NBA, and MLB when it comes to player salaries. Poor marketing is partly to blame, but there are other reasons. For example, the aforementioned notion that star players should take slightly less for the group's betterment wouldn't be a thing if it weren't for the hard cap.

Although highly unlikely under current commissioner Gary Bettman, adding a luxury tax system would be a great starting point to allow stars to get their full worth, reward successful franchises, and allow teams greater cap flexibility. Greater cap flexibility could lead to more player movement and, thus, more fan engagement.


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Forum: The BoxJan. 9 at 6:09 p.m.
Forum: NHLJan. 6 at 11:07 p.m.
Thread: 2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #2: Early Overreactions
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KSIxSKULLS</b></div><div>There isn't even cap space in baseball is there? Doesn't really matter how they structure the contract, the AAV is still going to be 11.5 a year.</div></div>

In MLB there is no cap but a luxury tax on teams that spend over a certain limit so they can spend all they want but the more they spend they get taxed more so it gets expensive fast...but at least the rich teams can spend more if they want and the teams that spend the most haven't won the world series yet...

As for Toronto I'm not sure who Treliving will move to make room or who has to make less to fit then all in but it'll interesting to see if he can do it and how...the fact that he willing to pay Nylander shows that he does have a plan...