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Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 7:27 p.m.
Thread: Treliving Overhaul - Detailed Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>You're a knowledgeable fan and I take your posts comments serious. My comment is no reflection on you or your effort.

I really don't think you're looking at this from the CHI perspective. IF CHI makes this trade they solve 1 problem, but create an even bigger problem. They don't have a Seth Jones Replacement. There isn't any #1RD available as a UFA and our single weakest position within our farm system is BY FAR the right side defender. Rinzel looks like he can be a nice #2RD and maybe Crevier can be a longer term #3RD, but thats what we got. It's so much easier to bring Kaner back. We can actually fills holes then and keep our assets. Plus did you say $12.25??? I'll stick with Jones and his $9.5.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Despite your detailed and thoughtful analysis, and proposing a trade package that is actually pretty fair, I have to agree w/ exo2769. Trading Jones for just one guaranteed year of Marner isn't a risk the Hawks take. Jones leaving does create a giant hole on the Hawks blue line with no good way to fill it. There really isn't a true top pair RD in this UFA class, and the Hawks likely have to overpay a guy like DeMelo or Pesce to sign in Chicago to backfill that hole. Not ideal. The Hawks spending any of the assets it would take to get Marner as a one year rental would be a foolhardy exercise. Yes, maybe he clicks w/ Bedard, loves Chicago and re-signs. But what if he doesn't like it in Chicago or he can't agree w/ he Hawks on a new deal? Those two scenarios are equally likely IMO. If Marner leaves after one year, where does that leave the Hawks?

Now I'm in the very small minority of Hawks fans who WOULD make a deal that includes Jones if Marner came with a reasonable extension in place. But for me, no extension, no deal for Marner.</div></div>

Alex Carrier is also a very underrated option that can definitely fill a top 4 spot and be defensively reliable and physical for cheap - I can’t imagine even overpaying him would take anymore than $5M per season, could probably get him around $4M tbh
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 7:18 p.m.
Thread: Treliving Overhaul - Detailed Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hawksguy81</b></div><div>Despite your detailed and thoughtful analysis, and proposing a trade package that is actually pretty fair, I have to agree w/ exo2769. Trading Jones for just one guaranteed year of Marner isn't a risk the Hawks take. Jones leaving does create a giant hole on the Hawks blue line with no good way to fill it. There really isn't a true top pair RD in this UFA class, and the Hawks likely have to overpay a guy like DeMelo or Pesce to sign in Chicago to backfill that hole. Not ideal. The Hawks spending any of the assets it would take to get Marner as a one year rental would be a foolhardy exercise. Yes, maybe he clicks w/ Bedard, loves Chicago and re-signs. But what if he doesn't like it in Chicago or he can't agree w/ he Hawks on a new deal? Those two scenarios are equally likely IMO. If Marner leaves after one year, where does that leave the Hawks?

Now I'm in the very small minority of Hawks fans who WOULD make a deal that includes Jones if Marner came with a reasonable extension in place. But for me, no extension, no deal for Marner.</div></div>

I feel like an extension could be in place for a deal, however if Marner is extended it would obviously come at a higher price. I’d up the 2nd to a 1st and the prospect would be a higher quality one. The tough thing would be getting all that in place by the draft where Marner can’t officially agree to a new deal but can talk new extension
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 6:51 p.m.
Thread: Treliving Overhaul - Detailed Offseason
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>exo2769</b></div><div>You're a knowledgeable fan and I take your posts comments serious. My comment is no reflection on you or your effort.

I really don't think you're looking at this from the CHI perspective. IF CHI makes this trade they solve 1 problem, but create an even bigger problem. They don't have a Seth Jones Replacement. There isn't any #1RD available as a UFA and our single weakest position within our farm system is BY FAR the right side defender. Rinzel looks like he can be a nice #2RD and maybe Crevier can be a longer term #3RD, but thats what we got. It's so much easier to bring Kaner back. We can actually fills holes then and keep our assets. Plus did you say $12.25??? I'll stick with Jones and his $9.5.</div></div>

I think you’re looking at things a bit narrow sighted. While yea I agree on the surface that losing Jones is a big loss, it’s not not overcomable. They don’t need a top pair guy to take his minutes, in UFA there are guys they can look at as a solid top 4 guy and then share the minutes with Murphy. A guy like Dylan Demelo would be a good option for that.

I’ve always thought that Chicago should target a top right handed defender in this year’s draft since they’re strong at forward and now with Chicago drafting in the top 3 for sure (the lottery is on commercial before the top picks are revealed as I write this) - but outside of them picking #1 I think they should take Artyom Levshunov regardless if they’re #2 or #3 which would then solve the future issue of a top pairing right handed defender that Jones’ spot left void
Forum: Armchair-GMTue. at 3:50 p.m.
Thread: Leafs off-season with detailed descriptions for every move
I can appreciate the effort put into a post like this, but I don’t really agree with most do the roster moves made here. The management side you’re probably right on, but the roster doesn’t scream a Treliving style of team, it’s just not heavy enough and that doesn’t suit Berube either.

Dobson would be a hard get. Yes the Islanders need offence, but offence starts from the defenders moving the puck to the forwards and Dobson is their best puck mover, it would be a step backwards to trade him right now even if they got Marner in return.

I’ve heard rumours that Pesce doesn’t wanna sign in Canada and wants to be closer to home. I’ve also not heard much within Toronto’s management that they’ve expressed much interest in him - he could be a great fit but I don’t see it happening.

I doubt Bertuzzi is back. Moving Marner would help, but I think he’s priced out in Toronto because there’s other needs. I know he wants to stay but I don’t think it’s something that will fit.

The draft is always a coin flip, but the selections you have don’t really seem like a win. I think that would be a disappointing draft if that’s what turned out.

I’m working on a detailed off-season thread right now and I’ll tag the link when I’m done so you can compare. Obviously we have different thoughts but again your work ethic is great
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 2:47 p.m.
Thread: No Marner unless its for cheap
Marner doesn’t have any incentive to really waive his NMC for Chicago. They’re still not close to contending, and it’s not a tax free state. So why would he waive? If the only reason you’re thinking is to play with Bedard well he can play with other good players that are on contending teams.

That being said.. let’s hypothetically say he waived for Chicago, something could work with the teams but you’d have to widen your parameters a bit. Marner won’t come “cheap” but Toronto will be selling him at his all time low so don’t expect a huge haul. They’re going to fill at least one of their major holes by moving him being either a quality middle 6 centre with offensive upside, or a top 4 right handed defender with size. Since Chicago doesn’t have a quality middle 6 centre outside of Bedard, that’s off the table and leaves the defender.

I’d propose something like:

:blackhawks
Marner (no extension in place)

:mapleleafs
Jones
Reichel
Chicago’s own 2025 2nd round pick


I know you mentioned that you wouldn’t move the leadership group and Jones was part of that - but in order to get good players you’ve gotta move something that you don’t want sometimes and Jones makes a ton of sense for Toronto and fills a huge need. I’d argue that if Jones isn’t part of the deal then Toronto walks away from the deal and finds someone else Marner would waive for

Edit: I’d think that Chicago takes a hard look at a right handed defender in the draft and there’s a couple good ones available around their pick so it makes the loss of Jones easier for the future if they picked one