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Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 8:25 p.m.
Thread: Minnesota Wild
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KingExLeafs</b></div><div>Brodin hasn't had a full 82 game season since 18-19. Rossi was drafted in 2020 and put up only 40 points last year. Good player, but not elite. And again, trading a Selke nominated 90-100 point winger for a goalie makes no sense.

I'd prefer the Leafs trade for picks and prospects and take back very little salary in a Marner trade.</div></div>

Uh-huh.

You're right, Minnesota would absolutely trade one of the best defensive defenseman in the league and one of the few you can count on one hand who can skate with and shutdown McDavid on the regular.

A young 22 year old 2C who missed a crucial year of development and who still managed to score 40 points, 21 of them goals, in just his FIRST FULL ROOKIE SEASON. Or did you miss the part where Rossi was a top 3 Calder player for 97% of the season?

And finally to add stupidity to it all. A solid 1B goalie who can play at a Vezina caliber when he's on a roll.

So, yes. Minnesota HAS TO give that up for 1 year of a RW they DON'T need.

Just have Guerin sign the trade forms now. 🙄
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 10:16 p.m.
Thread: Rossi is available but READ ME
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>wojme</b></div><div>4 pages, one Rossi trade. Some teams might take a flyer on him but they aren't going to trade better pieces for him.</div></div>

Are you f***ing serious, right now?

If you haven't seen them, then you're not paying attention.

There's been at least a dozen within the past 24 hrs. That's at least 10 pages of accumulated ACGM posts bar minimum in that time frame.

And that's when it's non-rush hour traffic on-site during the weekend.

Fact is, it's been closer to 30-40 posts over the course of the week, and around 100 for the past two.

Last week it was Habs fans. Today it was all the Leaf fans and their ridiculous Marner to Minnesota trades. Of which, which player was apart of those trades?

Here's a hint.

Where's Marco?
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 7:47 p.m.
Thread: Where The Wild Things Are
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>iAce</b></div><div>I've watched Knies a ton. He isn't Clutterbuck or Rempe but he plays pretty smart with his size. He isn't pushed around really. I think he hasn't found his game yet. I think of a Tuch type player maybe not the same production. I don't see him as a 1st line winger when he's done developing but I can see him as a great 2nd line winger maybe with Ohgren and Ek. Thats why I'm drawn to his game. Paired with Ek, I think we see him flourish into a consistent 50-55 point guy and is tough to push around in the playoffs. I would be all in on Knies. Rossi and a 2nd and I would probably do that</div></div>

Then you can drop that 2nd right now.

I'd refuse to move Rossi plus for Knies. Because you seriously can not be telling me that a 2nd line WINGER, a less productive one at that, carries more value than a kid who is a 2nd line CENTER at minimum and who has more offensive upside <em>and</em> ceiling. I don't think it's unreasonable or unrealistic to think Rossi could become a 65-70 point player. Ala Eriksson-Ek.

If Toronto wants Rossi, they can send us Knies PLUS <strong><em>thier</em></strong> 2nd. Otherwise, Guerin should be fired for sending a better prospect and player plus a better draft pick for a LESSER prospect and paying them for the pleasure of it.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 6:48 p.m.
Thread: Where The Wild Things Are
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Caerii</b></div><div>Knies isn't going to have the offensive upside Rossi does, but I can't see how we wouldn't turn into a 50-55ish point winger, and I strongly disagree about the physical and aggressive aspect. I think he's a much more willing participant than Rossi, and he's definitely much more effective at it.</div></div>

Is that so?

I don't think that I've seen that from him. Rossi actively forechecks and crashes the net. In spite of his smaller stature and size. From all my viewings of Knies, which isn't extensive, admittedly, he's always been more of a perimeter player. He's strikes me more of a much more offensively talented but still giving off Greenway or Wild Era Coyle has size but doesn't use it vibes. 🤷‍♂️
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 6:32 p.m.
Thread: Where The Wild Things Are
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>iAce</b></div><div>I don't think it's all the fans. There are some bad Wild ones too. I'll be honest, if Toronto wants to mix things up with the core, I'd be fine with trading Rossi, Spurgeon and GusBus. The only return I would like from Toronto is Knies. I'm find with trading Rossi and Gus for Knies and a pick. Maybe we retain on a Marner trade for 1 year so Toronto gets a big piece back. I'm cool with those scenarios. I'm not cool with trading Marner and giving up our core. I'm a fan of the Leafs because there's a lot of similarities between us, but this is a hard no. I think other Leaf fans would agree. I also understand you don't want to move Knies, and thats cool. I just don't think Minnesota will be doing any trades. I also think you have wingers that are more valuable than Knies. Bertuzzi and Domi are 2 big ones. They erased Marchand from that series. Fun to watch</div></div>

I DON'T WANT KNIES.

More specifically, I don't understand your desire for him.

Were better off just keeping Rossi at that point.

1) Sure, he's bigger. But while similar production wise, he still had lower production rates despite playing with much better players than Rossi has had.

And Rossi has frankly the better hockey IQ that'll take him farther.

2) Knies isn't exactly a more aggressive or more physical player than Rossi either. Despite his size advantage over Rossi. What does it say, when the 5'9" 185 lbs 2nd-line center is more apt and willing to go to the hard areas or score from the crease paint when the 6'3" 216 lbs top-six winger prefers to play from the perimeter?

I just don't see it.

Sure Knies has size. But I prefer Rossi over him 10/10 times.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 3:35 p.m.
Thread: How Berube elevates performance in playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CameronSquires</b></div><div>That could just be because there's more fans than others so there are more people posting bad trades for those teams than others. I have seen bad takes from every fanbase though.

I just think it's unfair to label all fans under a single category as I personally appreciate criticism when I'm off on valuations.</div></div>

Let me be clear.

It's a relativistic generalization. Sure, it's not all Leafs fans. A few are pretty level-headed and know what the hell they're talking about. Those fans wisdom is both welcomed and appreciated on here.

@pahal falls into such a category around here.

The problem is the OTHER 96% of Leafs fans that post asinine BS on here give them the reputation they have on site. It's very much deserved, whether you like it or not.

It is what it is. And this one doesn't help that reputation by any means.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 11 at 3:27 p.m.
Thread: Marner
The idea that Minnesota can afford Marner because of the buyouts coming off after next season is both ignorant and asinine at the same time.

1) At least $8M of that $14M will be eaten up by any contract extension that's signed by Faber. And that's the ABSOLUTE minimum it's going to cost them. By all reports it could go as high as $9.5M.

So please explain how Minnesota is expected to afford both players. I'll wait.

2) The only reason Minnesota would trade Rossi is to get a similar age player that's on a similar level but is both bigger and faster. Or a 1C.

Marner is neither. He's a better player, sure. On a Kaprizov level even. But he's also the farthest thing from what Guerin publicy stated he'd be looking for any potential Rossi trade.

So explain why Minnesota does this, again?

3) Minnesota isn't paying full extension prices for Marner. No team is. And they're absolutely not moving a 22 year old 2C, a solid 1B who has vezina caliber skills when rolling, plus their only top-six LW prospect for one year of Marner. Let alone extended.

4) What Minnesota needs is either a 1C, a top-six LW, or a LHD with top pairing upside coming back in ANY Rossi trade.

Again, please explain how Marner addresses those needs?
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 7 at 9:10 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 4 at 8:02 p.m.
Thread: Offseason moves
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jazzykiwi</b></div><div>Dylan Strome who had more points than him?</div></div>

Ooooh, a whole whopping THREE more points in FIVE MORE GAMES PLAYED. Points aren't the end all be all, and JEE blows Strome away by being a complete 200ft Selke caliber player while Strome isn't.

JEE not only has a higher PPG, but has a higher Net rating than Strome does. Not too mention perceived market value.

JEE:
NR -- +16
GP -- 77
G -- 30
A -- 34
P -- 64
PPG -- .83
TOI -- 20:31
Market Value -- $10.1M

Strome:
NR -- +10
GP -- 82
G -- 27
A -- 40
P -- 67
PPG -- .82
TOI -- 17:57
Market Value -- $7.6M

JEE also wins in terms of face off wins, in both Corsi and Fenwick, and PDO. All while playing against stiffer competition and having less offensive zone starts than Strome.

He's frankly put, a much better player.

But here, don't take my word for it.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players%5B%5D=4414&amp;players%5B%5D=4195&amp;period=2023-2024%3AR%3A99
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 4 at 4:21 p.m.
Thread: Minnesota major trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>B090400</b></div><div>Valid discussion. Not sure Rossi is going to be a 2C and although Detroit missed the playoffs by a point I wouldn't call them bottom dwellers.</div></div>

There is no going to be. He already is.

Does he need to become more consistent? Yes.

And yes, he struggled and hit a wall down the stretch. But he was a top 3 Calder player this year for 90% of the season, and the only rookie forward with more goals than him this year was Bedard.

Hitting the wall down the stretch isn't unusual for rookie player's, but he absolutely answered whether he was a legitimate top-six center or not this year.

As for being bottom dwellers... Detroit's in the draft lottery. That makes them bottom dwellers. Minnesota was too this year.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 2 at 9:28 p.m.
Thread: Minnesota major trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>B090400</b></div><div>Gustavsson is gone after Fleury signing and Wallstedt coming. Gustavsson not worth a first from anybody so the 2nd should do with Buchelnikov fitting with your Russians. Veleno and Fabbri production doubles what Rossi has done so don't see how its a horrible deal for the Wild</div></div>

1) Gustavsson could get delt, but Guerin is neither going to undersell him nor move him if his price isn't met. He's already publicly stated that he's fine keeping all three on roster next year if it's not.

2) Those prospects might have been more productive to date, but that's not going to last long. That's only due to having more NHL games under their belt so far.

Rossi already has scored more goals in one season then any of them have. He's a 2C at minimum. The others can't even break out of the bottom six on a bottom dwelling Detroit team.