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Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 11:31 p.m.
Thread:
(SJS/TBL) - Duclair, 2025 7th (SJS) for Thompson, 2024 3rd (TBL)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LordStanlersCup</b></div><div>I very much question the talent evaluation for this team, just because he didnt make the lineup doesnt mean he isnt a better player. They were playing 25/26 year old rookies whos ceiling are 4th liners/ 7th d man at best in chaffee, merela, koepke, fleury, myers, brown and others but had goncalves, finley, lilleberg, crozier, finley and groshev all who were way better and ready to play NHL games. This trade will age like milk once Thompson beats out calen addison for the PP1 spot and puts up 40 in his rookie season im calling it</div></div>
The Lightning have pretty much the best track record for player scouting and development in the entire NHL. I don't pay enough attention to say you're wrong that those guys were NHL-ready and would have outperformed the people we did use to fill our bottom-six, but I think the Lightning do know what they're doing when it comes to talent evaluation.
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NHL Trades
Mar. 7 at 11:20 p.m.
Thread:
(SJS/TBL) - Duclair, 2025 7th (SJS) for Thompson, 2024 3rd (TBL)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>LordStanlersCup</b></div><div>the round a player was drafted in only means something until they play their first game after the draft. Here is an article that was written about him over the AHL ASG: https://theahl.com/crunch-pleased-with-all-star-thompsons-progress
he was going to develop into a very good Top 4 RD and we gave him away for nothing</div></div>
He's 21 years old and hasn't managed to crack a defense with minimal depth that at times has had several people injured all at once. It happens, but there's no way anyone with that profile is a certain or even likely top-four defenseman.
That being said, I don't know why JBB would touch <em>any</em> futures for a team like this. There's no rule that you have to make a deadline move and we're not winning a playoff round this year—it's a toss-up if we'll even be in the playoffs. It wasn't expensive, but I think it's a waste of assets.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Aug. 22, 2023 at 9:46 a.m.
Thread:
Tampa Bay Lightning signed Brandon Hagel (8 Years / $6,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>BeterChiarelli</b></div><div>The cap must be going up in leaps and bounds over the next decade because holy smokes that's an expensive third liner</div></div>
Hagel is not a third liner. He spent most of the year on the top line and in the playoffs his line was our best line, whether you call it a 2nd line or not. He had 30 goals and 64 points last year.
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NHL Signings
Aug. 22, 2023 at 9:42 a.m.
Thread:
Tampa Bay Lightning signed Brandon Hagel (8 Years / $6,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>brady_t12</b></div><div>Waaaaaay too small of a sample size to give Hagel a contract like this. A 2-year bridge deal around 4M would've been more appropriate.</div></div>
I think that would have had UFA expiry though, so re-signing him afterwards would have been way more expensive and we’d risk losing him.
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NHL Signings
Jul. 15, 2023 at 8:01 p.m.
Thread:
Tampa Bay Lightning signed Tanner Jeannot (2 Years / $2,665,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>CSStrowbridge</b></div><div>He was on pace for 16 points with the Bolts last season and was a healthy scratch in the playoffs. If he doesn't bounce back, they will be paying him $2 million to sit in the pressbox. How many of the players you mentioned were healthy scratches in the playoffs the year before they signed these contracts?</div></div>
In his defense, he wasn’t really a <em>healthy</em> scratch…
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NHL Signings
Jul. 15, 2023 at 7:55 p.m.
Thread:
Tampa Bay Lightning signed Tanner Jeannot (2 Years / $2,665,000 AAV)
When Colton signs for less than this, this whole Jeannot situation is approaching a fire-able offense. I somewhat defended JBB because I was assuming part of the idea here involved signing Jeannot for a long-term low-AAV deal. Somehow the AAV doubled and the term halved so there’s no positive here at all anymore. If Colton doesn’t make a lot more than this, then we actually just paid four draft picks (net because we recovered one with Colton), to make the team clearly and objectively worse. This is completely and utterly indefensible.
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NHL Trades
Jul. 3, 2023 at 12:41 a.m.
Thread:
(MIN/TBL) - 2024 7th (MIN) for Maroon, Cajkovic
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Orr28</b></div><div>Probably did Maroon a solid instead of burying him in the minors. He'll get to play in Minny as he'll be the Reaves replacement.</div></div>
Then Minnesota would have picked him up on waivers if they’re actually willing to put him on an NHL roster and he didn’t make the Lightning’s. And we wouldn’t have had to burn $200k in cap space and lose a prospect. I have no idea why we had to pay to do this.
I guess maybe the fear was that someone higher in the waiver order where Maroon doesn’t want to go was going to take him and the Lightning were just doing Maroon a big favor by letting him go where he wants even though no playoff team wanted him at $1m? I don’t know. I find it hard to believe that Minnesota is not burying him but wasn’t willing to pay $1m and demanded a prospect.
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NHL Trades
Jul. 2, 2023 at 9:45 p.m.
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(MIN/TBL) - 2024 7th (MIN) for Maroon, Cajkovic
Huh??? Maroon's entire contract can be buried in the minors. Now we <em>actually</em> get a cap penalty. And we lose an okay prospect too. And for absolutely nothing? What am I missing here? It's not like this was a huge loss but why is JBB just tossing $200k of cap space in the trash?
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NHL Signings
Jul. 2, 2023 at 7:53 p.m.
Thread:
Tampa Bay Lightning signed Calvin De Haan (1 Year / $775,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>VaderJeff</b></div><div>Need to use fully that LTIR bonus.</div></div>
Huh? There's no such thing as an LTIR bonus. As far as Tampa's cap is concerned, Seabrook basically doesn't exist except for the first day of the season when they do gymnastics to get as close to the ceiling as possible, and at the deadline when they're not allowed to make any useful trades because of a lack of cap accrual (and instead of paying someone to take him to avoid that, we just pay five picks for Jeannot apparently).
Forum:
NHL Trades
Jun. 28, 2023 at 11:38 a.m.
Thread:
(TBL/COL) - Colton for 2023 2nd (MTL)
If this means that Killorn re-signs, then fine—I think that’s a moderately fair trade. If we lose both Killorn and Colton, I feel like that’s just bad asset management (especially if Colton doesn’t go that high and we end up paying Jeannot more than like $1.5m—that would be inexcusable in my eyes).
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NHL Trades
Mar. 1, 2023 at 7:41 p.m.
Thread:
(TBL/SJS) - Namestnikov for Eyssimont
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>imawesome</b></div><div>Namestnikov is better. That is the only thing in San Jose's favor.
Edit: And they shouldn't even want to win</div></div>
They're probably planning on moving Namestnikov. That has to be it.
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NHL Trades
Mar. 1, 2023 at 7:37 p.m.
Thread:
(TBL/SJS) - Namestnikov for Eyssimont
Wait... that's it? So SJS, who is not making the playoffs, gave us a seemingly good 4th liner who is an RFA in exchange for a UFA who will never provide them any value and has a higher cap hit? Well... thanks I guess.
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NHL Trades
Feb. 27, 2023 at 12:29 a.m.
Thread:
(NSH/TBL) - Jeannot for Foote, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>poeticentropy</b></div><div>In 2 years will Tampa still be going deep into the playoffs? That 2025 1st may come back to bite</div></div>
It's top ten protected, and also, in two years from now, we'll have Point, Kucherov, Cirelli, Paul, Hedman, Sergachev, Cernak, Perbix, and Vasilevskiy. And probably Stamkos. And I think we'll still have Hagel, although that's not guaranteed of course. That would be a whole top six, top four, and goalie, and every one of those units is Cup-worthy. The bottom-six and bottom-four can be filled cheaply with okay veterans. I think the answer is absolutely yes.
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NHL Trades
Feb. 26, 2023 at 11:12 p.m.
Thread:
(NSH/TBL) - Jeannot for Foote, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th
The price is higher when you're talking about an $800k player who is an upcoming RFA. Tampa will either re-sign him or they will recover assets by trading him elsewhere since he would then have to sign with the receiving team. With someone like Meier, for example, the Devils could theoretically lose him for nothing. We also had to give more picks than anyone else because our 1st is in three years, which is less valuable than a 1st right away especially when we're asking for top ten protection. Most rebuilding GMs want pieces that will help them be good in a couple of years, whereas this pick going to Nashville will start to benefit them in like 5-6 years in all likelihood especially since it's top ten protected so it likely won't be used for an immediately ready NHL player. So it makes sense that we had to pay a lot, and also, GMs at this point probably just know if BriseBois calls you at the deadline, you can ask for anything and he'll pay the price because he's identified that whatever player is the best to fix whatever hole he sees and he'll pay any amount of futures. This is what BriseBois does every year, and I always think it's a ridiculous overpay, and then we always benefit. This is probably the most extreme one yet, especially since Jeannot is underperforming offensively and has bad defensive analytics so I don't know what the front office sees in him. But... they have yet to miss on any of these deadline moves.
Losing Foote sucks though. He's young, cheap, and better than Fleury or Myers.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 13, 2022 at 12:11 p.m.
Thread:
Tampa Bay Lightning signed Ian Cole (1 Year / $3,000,000 AAV)
I mean, we needed a defensive defenseman who could play a lot of minutes against opposing top lines and fit well with Cernak. Obviously, the hope is that Cole is that player. I don’t like the AAV though; that’s quite possibly the difference between Palat and no Palat. But if he fills the void well for $3m and the contract expires when we really need the space next year then there are worse things to complain about.
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NHL Signings
Jul. 10, 2022 at 8:57 p.m.
Thread:
Colorado Avalanche signed Alexandar Georgiev (3 Years / $3,400,000 AAV)
I know Sakic has struck gold on just about every move but there’s no way this works out. Like absolutely no way. I will delete my account and send Sakic a handwritten apology if Georgiev isn’t either a backup or a complete liability next year. The only reason I don’t think they’ve just taken a massive step back is because I think Francouz is good enough.
Forum:
NHL Trades
Jul. 3, 2022 at 2:03 p.m.
Thread:
(TBL/NSH) - McDonagh for Myers, Mismash
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Boltsradynasty</b></div><div>i wouldn't be surprised if TB deosn't buy Myers out they can't afford the dead cap next year</div></div>
Next year the cap crunch is harder, yes, but buying him out nets us $3.1m this year at the cost of $600k next year, so that's still really hard to turn down.
Forum:
NHL Trades
Jul. 3, 2022 at 2:02 p.m.
Thread:
(TBL/NSH) - McDonagh for Myers, Mismash
In theory, Tampa won this trade, because we needed cap space and we found it. We off-loaded $7.1m if we buyout Myers since his contract structure means his buyout would be negative for the first year. That's enough to keep Palat and Rutta, and that's ultimately what we set out to do. But how do we replace McDonagh? We don't have four top-four defensemen anymore and I don't quite understand how that's supposed to work on a Cup contender, much less one that relies heavily on defense...
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NHL Trades
Mar. 21, 2022 at 7:53 p.m.
Thread:
(ARI/TBL) - Nash for future considerations
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JetsCanesSens</b></div><div>Future considerations is finally a Bolt!!!:awesome :tearsofjoy :) :) :applaud :laugh</div></div>
*Coyote
Forum:
NHL Trades
Mar. 21, 2022 at 7:46 p.m.
Thread:
(ANA/VGK) - Kesler, Moore for Dadonov and 2nd Round Pick [REVERSED]
I'm confused. Why would VGK possibly throw away a somewhat useful player when they're in a wildcard battle? I assume that it's a cap dump, but the only possible justification for this is if enough players were coming off LTIR that they couldn't keep Dadonov until the end of the season. Anyway, given that VGK lost a useful player at a critical time, and paid more (by taking on Moore) than we did to dump Tyler Johnson at the same AAV with an extra year on his contract at a far less critical time, they definitely messed up.
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NHL Trades
Mar. 19, 2022 at 4:31 p.m.
Thread:
(TBL/CHI) - 2x 1st, Katchouk, Raddysh for Hagel, 2x 4th
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>Tampa spent less on Ryan McDonagh and JT Miller.
Sweet Jesus :tearsofjoy</div></div>
McDonagh or J.T. Miller signed for 3x$1.5m would have cost more than two late 1sts.
Admittedly, I didn't know who Hagel was at first and I saw this return and thought JBB was out of his mind, but looking at the contract, Hagel's age, and the way he plays, I completely understand. He doesn't expect Palat to take like the 80% discount he would need to stay in Tampa, and we don't have a prospect who is primed to replace him immediately, so if we don't want our window to shut a little more, then we just needed to get one and we needed it now. I'm stunned that he couldn't negotiate it further down, but I'm confident that he tried, Chicago wasn't budging because they didn't have to, and then ultimately did what he had to do and it's certainly better than leaving the table. This deal covers until the end of the Stamkos deal and the 2nd last year of the Hedman deal. Both deals end when the players are 34. So I think even though they're both on discounted contracts right now, if they want to stay in Tampa, that number is going down, not up. The cap will also start increasing again by then. So all that gives us the flexibility to re-sign Hagel and maybe get some UFAs to fill our holes and go for a couple of last runs before Point/Kucherov/Vasilevskiy age out too. If we don't do this deal, we would be left with some gaping holes and by the time the draft picks developed to fill those holes—if they did at all—we'd be right around the end of Stamkos/Hedman's deals when we might not be as desperate for the cheap contracts. We got someone we really needed to push us through the flat-cap era and by the time the losses come back to bite, we'll be in a position to fix that, with maybe some more Cups too. It's a win-win.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Mar. 10, 2022 at 11:26 a.m.
Thread:
Philadelphia Flyers signed Rasmus Ristolainen (5 Years / $5,100,000 AAV)
It’s a good deal. Don’t think about it as Ristolainen. Think about the value of the high-end picks he’ll secure for you. He’s also big enough to consume smaller skill players, like Giroux when he’s as far away from the Flyers as he can get. What’s the downside?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
Oct. 29, 2021 at 1:37 p.m.
Thread:
Next year with Rielly extension
A 20 man roster is aggressive. If anyone has a short-term injury then you’re playing with a short roster for a few games. And I feel like that would usually end up being a high proportion of the season that at least one player is hurt but not hurt enough for LTIR (or just temporarily absent, like if they get sick or have a family emergency or something). You also lose the flexibility to scratch or rest players. I don’t think it’s worth the extra value it gives you. It’s better to be a bit under the cap and then accrue enough space that by the deadline you have the flexibility to store a roster like this.
Forum:
NHL Trades
Jul. 30, 2021 at 12:30 p.m.
Thread:
(TBL/DET) - Stephens for 2022 6th RD pick
It’s a great deal for Detroit, but it’s smart by Tampa too. ABB, Colton, Joseph, Maroon, PEB, and Perry have secured the spots in our bottom-six and I’m sure one if not both of Raddysh and Katchouk will be kept on the active roster so they don’t have to go through waivers. Obviously we’re not using all three extra roster spots on forwards. Stephens was probably going to be the one who didn’t fit anywhere but lots of teams were probably interested enough to grab him off waivers. Instead of losing him for nothing, we got an asset for it. We had zero leverage here, so it’s was never going to be completely fair compensation, but it’s better than nothing. Meanwhile, Detroit probably would have lost out had he gone to waivers. They basically paid a 6th for someone who is at worst a 4C and could easily blossom into an aggressive forechecking 3C. The odds of a 6th turning into something better than that are slim, so it’s a win for them.
I said it was a fair deal because it’s a win/win, but I do think Detroit was the bigger winner.
Forum:
NHL Signings
Jul. 28, 2021 at 5:58 p.m.
Thread:
Tampa Bay Lightning signed Brayden Point (8 Years / $9,500,000 AAV)
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>forX</b></div><div>I'm really wonder how they will manage the cap for 22-23. maybe exchange palat for an entry level?</div></div>
Palat's on his last year. He either signs for cheap or he walks. We'd have Point ($9.5m), Kucherov ($9.5m), Stamkos ($8.5m), Cirelli ($4.8m), Killorn ($4.45m), Hedman ($7.875m), McDonagh ($6.75m), Sergachev ($4.8m), Cernak ($2.95m), and Vasilevskiy ($9.5m). That's $68.625m for 10 roster spots, leaving $13m-$14m available for the next 10 depending on how the cap changes. We will likely find another cheap veteran backup for somewhere in the $900k range, extend Foote for a similar amount for 2-3 years, and use Bogosian or Thomas at $850k. Bellemare, ABB, Colton, Joseph, Katchouk, Raddysh, Smith, and Stephens are forward options right now, though we might find someone else cheap. But that's the direction I think we're going, and I'm curious if that's "enough" depth to win a Cup.
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