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Armchair-GM
May 12 at 12:28 p.m.
Thread:
Marners Value
$10.9M cap space is more valuable than Marner. Not even worth speculating on.
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Armchair-GM
May 12 at 12:27 p.m.
Thread:
Next year
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Rodger11</b></div><div>They need all the help they can get. They will take what we give them</div></div>
Detroit had 11 more productive forwards than Jarnkrok, and he's no Selke candidate. He's not needed, and not worth a 2nd, especially to Detroit.
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Armchair-GM
May 12 at 12:24 p.m.
Thread:
Markstrom to DET
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Shaun80</b></div><div>2006</div></div>
18 years is a bit too long ago to claim relevancy for trades, no?
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Armchair-GM
May 12 at 12:21 p.m.
Thread:
Done
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AmeriCanadian</b></div><div>Toronto sheds a little salary but the skill gap between the 2 sides is insanely massive. Despite the narrative, Marner is an insanely talented forward and the Wings don't give up much at all there for him</div></div>
I'm kidding, mostly. Holl, Chiarot and Viro were just about as effective as Marner in the playoffs this year without even being there, so... yeah.
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Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:45 p.m.
Thread:
Done
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AmeriCanadian</b></div><div>Man these trades sure are heavy skewed in Detroit's favor</div></div>
I don't know, the Toronto one doesn't help the Wings much.
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Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:41 p.m.
Thread:
Finish the Roster
Timmins is just waiver fodder at this point.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:40 p.m.
Thread:
Tavares
3 useful players, one overpaid, one underpaid, one paid just right... for one season of a 33 year old who just vanished in the playoffs. Detroit declines.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:37 p.m.
Thread:
Playoff bound
I'm confused. Girard had 4th most TOI for Avs D in the regular season, and 3rd most so far in the playoffs. You're trading a 25 year old defenseman for a 21 year old defenseman to slot into the exact same spot, and having Detroit pay you multiple picks in the process? Where is the logic in that? Detroit obviously declines, but I really wonder what your thought process was here.
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Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:31 p.m.
Thread:
Celebrini copium
I think it's been stated elsewhere, but the Detroit trade is fine.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:27 p.m.
Thread:
Next Year
Detroit doesn't need more 4th forwards. Hard pass.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:26 p.m.
Thread:
different partners same thesis
Holl's buyout is less than $1.5M per season, Husso is either LTIR or a slightly overpaid backup, and Kasper is a good prospect. Not worth giving up for a 34 year old goalie.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 7 at 8:24 p.m.
Thread:
Marner trade
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KoneDome</b></div><div>Curious from Detroit fans if there is any Marner for Seider trade you’d consider.</div></div>
Short answer no. Long answer, absolutely not. Detroit's defense outside of Seider, Walman (when healthy), and Edvinsson was awful. Trading Seider would crater the team, and nothing in the pipeline is likely to replace him.
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Armchair-GM
May 1 at 9:35 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div>Nah dude I'm good with this. Prime window is 22-27. Absolutely 100% agree.
... As long as he concedes that Toronto's window is shut. :tearsofjoy</div></div>
He won't admit that until the Core 4 are on different teams. Then they were always overrated and bad.
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Armchair-GM
May 1 at 9:23 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Debrincat is already past the middle of his prime by average. Prime scoring age is 22-27. He is 27 in December.
Fabbri is there because I wasnt going to use guys who were already 28+ and there really isnt a lot a head of him on the roster as far as forwards go in that regard
And as I stated before Ras was there because half a dozen redwings fans got really mad at me last year when I said the exact same thing you did here because he was apparently gonna be a 2C beast just I wait.</div></div>
Prime scoring age is 22-27? Cite your source, please.
Fabbri played almost exclusively in Detroit's Bottom 6. That's at least half the forward core ahead of him. Also, which Wings fans were saying Ras was a 2C? Literally nobody I've seen in the actual Wings fandom claimed he would be. I believe enough evidence has been presented pointing otherwise.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 9:17 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>1- I was as big a Holl supporter as there was around here when he was a Leaf (IE I was aware he was simply an OK number 4 most of his tenure in toronto) and yet I was told constantly that he had no compete, that is why I presented them to your buddy there who has done nothing but talk him down and wont even say he has compete
2-prospects are prospects, and until they prove they can do anything at the NHL level, they are simply that. The wings dont have a McDavid or Mackinnon in the wings who is all but a lock to be a star and push a competitive window. If you cant even see the window, you cant say it's gonna open ever. So we go by what the wings are icing now.
3-no, a bunch of plugs dont need to be added to the roster. A guy like Perron? Kane? Sure, get a vet leader or two who has been there. Yzerman has added and over paid for Compher, Copp, Holl, Husso, and Chariot, and then added other vet guys in Ghost, Petry Maatta etc. He has spent a lot of money to be as good as he would be if he shopped in the bargain bin</div></div>
1) All I had ever seen was non-Leafs fans saying Holl wasn't good, and Leafs fans saying he was. Skill was in question, not compete. Not effort. If you have evidence otherwise, I'd be happy to see it.
2) 32 teams don't currently have a McDavid or a MacKinnon in the wings. The Wings have... a 19 year old defenseman who was just voted the best in the SHL. Could be a star. A 19 year old center who was a point per game on a WHL team that basically consisted of himself. Now, he's leading the Winterhawks in playoff points. Could be good. They have a 20 year old center, 21 year old blue chip defenseman (Kasper and Edvinsson, in case you can't figure it out) as big pieces of their AHL team. Probably good additions, right? Not to mention Cossa (AHL playoff starter and the whole 19 games straight without a regulation loss at 21 years old) and Trey Augustine being his NCAA team MVP probably means something. But no, they're totally nothing because you say so. If you knew anything about the Wings' prospects, you could see the window. It's not hard. You just have to stop ignoring things that don't support your argument.
3) Why would the Wings ice a 10 player team? You sign plugs to hold roster spots until prospects are ready to take over. Rushing players can stunt their development, or lead to player entitlement.
As for contracts...
Compher's fine.
Copp is too much for too long. Possibly a buyout candidate or cap dump.
Holl was bad from the start. But he's still better than Lindstrom, who couldn't even crack Montreal or Anaheim's blueline. Bad contract, but there wasn't another option at the time.
Chiarot is also too much for too long. Can be useful in the right scenario, and provides some leadership, but not a good contract.
Ghost was brought in to help the powerplay. He did, it's fine. Now he probably goes somewhere else. As a plug.
Petry was a short term upgrade over Holl.
Maattaa was another "nobody is ready and nobody is better." He' a little overpaid, but he's fine.
What's your actual argument here? Who else could Yzerman have signed? Who was available at the time that would have been a better signing, that would have definitely signed in Detroit?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 8:59 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>wait, you mean Wings fans talked up a guy who wasnt very good and over estimated his abilities? You dont say!</div></div>
Rasmussen? The guy that most Wings fans were against drafting in the first place? The guy that was held up as the shining example of Ken Holland's draft failures? What are you on about?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 8:54 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Debrinecat -28
Fabbri-30
Rassmussen-27
I do love how you had to include guys who havent even made the NHL yet or showed they can play at any sort of high level to try and prove your point though, bang up job!</div></div>
DeBrincat will be in his prime.
Fabbri may not get a contract extension. Like the guy, but he's a bottom 6 scoring winger. Not a core piece.
Ras is a good complementary piece. Solid defensive-minded middle 6 winger. Plays a role, sure. Core piece, not so much.
Any more players we need to evaluate?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 8:52 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>wow, the w
1- You said Yzerman only liked guy with compete, he over paid for holl who you yourself say i 'a plug' and thus doesnt have compete
2-yeah, like i said, they are literally in the middle of their window with this roster. reading is hard apparently
3-trading for a guy in his prime is literally a try and win now move, especially when you sign a bunch of vets to bolster your roster. This is literally what teams trying to compete do every single year
i didnt abandon anything, you just keep repeating things over and over again and throwing insults around like it makes your points better
So back to the original point, Yzerman would be all over a Marner trade if he could, especially since he clearly has the same amount of compete as the rest of his recent big moves</div></div>
Yes, adding good young players to a team is a W. Dare I say they may even make it out of the first round more than once during their window.
To your points...
1) Being a plug is not an indicator of a player's compete. It means that you're a temporary fill for a roster, not a major piece going forward. Like David Kampf, for example. Holl is a plug and has compete. He's just not good.
2) The Wings have as many, if not more high-rated prospects in their system than good players on the roster. How is that "in the middle of a window," especially considering half of their good players are 23 and under?
3) Again, a bunch of plugs were added to the roster. Yzerman saw an opportunity to trade a late round pick that is less likely to amount to something, along with some spare parts, and fill a major need on the roster. He took it. The objective was to make the Wings less likely to get blown out on the regular, not to win the cup. Your argument is misframed.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 8:28 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>you talk more about the leafs than you do the red wings, hey, i get it, ive seen the wings roster</div></div>
Or... and hear me out, I know this is hard to process when your team has had 1, maybe 2 good prospects in the last decade... That's when Larkin and DeBrincat are at the tail end of their prime, Edvinson has mpre experience and a major role, Raymond (the 30 goal scorer at 22 years old) and Seider (by far most difficult matchups in the salary cap era) are entering their prime, Kasper, Danielson, and (SHL Champion and Salming Trophy winner) Sandin Pellika have all made the team, and Cossa and Augustine should be vying for the starting gig. Crazy how having a top rated prospect pool makes your team's future bright, especially when they just missed the playoffs with a roster half full of plugs.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 8:15 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>it's amusing how like sens fans wings fans have become, the window is always just about to open, any day now! Summer of Yzerman is coming baby!</div></div>
3-4 years is any day now? That's ok, next year is the Leafs' year, right? Again?
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 8:12 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div>Feel bad for the guy. All those years of suffering for the Leafs to finally build a core worth a ****, and according to him, they're all out of or exiting their prime and the window is just about shut.</div></div>
Eh, deluding yourself into thinking your team is perfect despite glaring issues garners no sympathy from me. This is also the fanbase that woukd swear up and down that Holl was a legit top4 D, until he signed with Detroit.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 8:00 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DanielSan92</b></div><div><img class="for_img" src="https://y.yarn.co/0706157a-8355-4f74-862d-5fa82fc234cb_text.gif" alt="0706157a-8355-4f74-862d-5fa82fc234cb_text.gif"></div></div>
He needs to try harder. This is playoff Marner levels of effort.
Forum:
Armchair-GM
May 1 at 7:51 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Hate to break it to you fella, yzerman made all these moves to compete. You dont trade for a guy like DeBrincat in his prime when you're still waiting</div></div>
He essentially traded spare parts and Bertuzzi to get a younger, better goal scorer. That's asset management and addressing weaknesses, something every GM tries to do. It's not that hard to understand.
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Armchair-GM
May 1 at 7:50 p.m.
Thread:
Could this happen
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JaredOfLondon</b></div><div>Justin holl is competitive now? I was told for years he was terrible and lazy and bad, but now he cant make a worse roster and is competitive? Wild stuff!</div></div>
First I've heard of Holl being lazy. He has compete, he's just not good. Never has been.
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Armchair-GM
Jan. 28 at 7:54 p.m.
Thread:
Patrick Kane
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Garak</b></div><div>Haha. I mean... I wouldn't call that a "tinfoil hat theory." It sounds pretty legit to me. Among other things, It's this whole "Influencer" culture infiltrating every aspect of society, not just media. Although, media is probably the most visible because it's everywhere. You can see everything going downhill in quality from food to goods to services to skilled labor (or should I say unskilled). There's good stuff out there too, but everything is so oversaturated with millions of people trying to do the same things. Most of them can sell themselves all day long, but they aren't actually capable of doing those things. Everything is a sales pitch now.
So, yeah, they are spiraling. Even organizations like The Athletic should be feeling the pressure. The New York Times won't hesitate for a second to let the athletic go under and write it off on their taxes, if subscriptions fall below a certain threshold. Which I predict is probably going to happen in the next year or so. They already did all those layoffs last year, subscription prices are going up, quality is going down, and consumers barely have money to eat, let alone pay for a subscription to the athletic. It's not crazy, or a conspiracy theory, if you pay attention, it's just obvious that things are not ok.
lol. Can I take my tinfoil hat off now before I have a stroke?</div></div>
Sad part is, that's all entirely reasonable and makes a lot of sense. Higher cost for lower quality product is kind of the name of the game now, and inflation has everybody more broke than ever. Add that into everything being bought out by larger corporations, I can't remember exactly where, but I had heard advertising revenue was somewhere around half of where it was about a year ago, which would support the push for subscription services. Add all these factors together, and you have a downward spiral for all these companies.
"May you live in interesting times" combined with a Monkey's Paw. If you start to smell toast, definitely lose the tinfoil hat lol
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