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Birtle34

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Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 9:44 a.m.
Thread: How far off Canes Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Such envy looking at the Dallas stars right now, heiskanen obviously a key add in the top 3 in draft, and seguin was added via trade, but they have been ahead of the curve for a good while now. Resigning 55/37 was a saving face copp out move to attempt to keep asses in the seats. Chevy so busy patting himself on the back, that he missed the part that Atlanta brought in multiple top 12 picks with them, looking back at trades that seemed like wins in the past, there was a lot of assets shipped out drafted by the previous regime. Even doing the best that they could laine/roslovic to Dubois to kings group. Always assets given up for lesser assets, with some token guys thrown in to make it look like a win. Even in draft years of scheifele/laine/trouba/connor/ehlers/morrissey, there’s just as good of players or better in the neighborhood. Morrissey and Trouba I think they won on, probably Connor too. Laine at 2 was probably locked in without much thought. But damn tkachuk would have been nice. Now I’m rambling pretty good, lol. I think Chevy is way too overrated. Dillon should be driven to the airport, not because he’s not needed, and the old warrior is a beauty, but can’t afford him, time to sink or swim on left hand d. I’m a helly fan, but the difference between him at 6 million and 8 million compared to a couple 2 million dollar replacements, especially with the moose kid possibly a year or two away, demelo is decent but shouldn’t be leaned on for top pairing minutes, and shouldn’t have the team over a barrel to put 3/4 years on him at 12/15 million. Trouba obviously couldn’t afford and he no longer wanted to be in Winnipeg, but another settle for less deal with heinola/pionk. Still can’t believe we flipped picks and got that fin over Suzuki, just to protect enstrom. Now this probably made zero sense. Hope you get something out of this lol.</div></div>

Na it all made sense to me.. lol 😆

Heiskanen looks like a horse galloping when he's skating, he can really move, theres a true #1 dman. Take a look at Dallas' drafting in recent years, its been so good and have hit on some 2nd round and later picks which is pretty important for success. Dallas is finding Jason Robertson in round two, Jets fans think we've got it all figured out cause we got Lowry in the 3rd and Appleton in the 6th... 🤣

That Zhilkin kid the Jets drafted with that 3rd from the Laine/PLD/Roslo trade had a rough first year with the Moose, probably another bust of a pick. Go look at the Jets 2nd round pick, looked okay when he first arrived with the Moose, now he's struggling and there's some guys taken just a few picks after who are already in the NHL.

Gotta wonder where they'd be if they'd pulled the pin on the 18-19 season shortly after the Christmas break and sold off Trouba, Myers, Chiarot and Tanev, could've stockpiled some picks and prospects and be in a way better position now.
Maybe get Wheeler's name out there and ship him out too before he dropped off, would've saved years of drama with that clown 🤡

Wish I could be more positive about the Jets and its not just the loss to the Avs in saying this, I think they're ****ed and not going anywhere in the playoffs anytime soon.
Forum: Armchair-GMSun. at 12:35 a.m.
Thread: How far off Canes Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Probably a broken record, but you cant win without a top 5 to top 10 pick dman. Can get away with finding anything else anywhere else in the draft. So as soon as you make the Minnesota mistake of longterm pair extension, sign yourself up for mediocre for half a decade. Ya I don’t mind the blueline, but cup contenders have at least a 1 and a few guys pushing to replace or upgrade. Jets in a awful state if they can’t simply let demelo and Dillon walk for nothing, for even bargain hunt miller for that matter, kind of a beaulieu type that has been around a bit, and wouldn’t be terrible in top 4. Damn I hope that 19 year old Swede comes quick for the blueline. My buddies nephew might actually be not that far off after signing with moose and playing 40 games with moose this year in barteaux. But probably sign random vets ahead and bog down the system. Leaving Chevy in charge, not holding my breath.</div></div>

They're likely too good to be picking in the top 10 for awhile now and can't seem to find anything more then bottom 6ers/3rd pair dman in round 2 or after. Even their recent picks look like they might be misses, its not fair of me to be writing off Perfetti already and maybe I'll be eating crow eventually but I would've taken Lundell or Schneider with that 10th overall pick. Still had Laine at the time, drafting a Finnish center who was being touted as the most NHL ready leading up to the draft might of changed some things.

Schneider played in Brandon ffs and the Jets had little for RHD prospects at the time but they draft the diminutive "center" instead... 🙄

Can't believe how much approval there is with the 55&amp;37 extensions in the fanbase, Scheifele still looks like he's half @ssing it often and Hellebuyck just can't steal games or make the timely save.
Maybe I need to get my eyes checked but I just don't see what the hype is around Hellebuyck. Have been watching Bobrovsky and Shesterkin in the eastern finals, those two are way better then Hellebuyck imo, like it's not even close for me. They're both way more poised and controlled in their crease and make the big saves, don't see that very often from Bucky.

Also can't believe how much I'm reading/hearing about how they absolutely have to sign DeMelo and Dillon, like hey I like both of them to a degree and moreso Dillon but did fans not see how the defense being slow as **** was the biggest issue against the Avs?! Running it back with the same top 4 isn't going to make things better ffs!!.. lol 😆.. I get wanting an upgrade on Pionk would help BUT just upgrading on him won't be nearly enough.

Yeah its like we need that Salomonsson to come in and be a top 4 guy right away. Its pretty crazy how weak the prospect pool looks for blueliners now, last few years they had a bunch but they lost a couple on waivers, some guys weren't given much of a look and now its pretty much the Swedish kid who hasn't even played an AHL game yet and Heinola who seems like he's been here forever yet he's still a considered a prospect. They have a couple RHD prospects with the Moose but doubt they'll ever get a sniff with the Jets, they'll likely get the Gawanke treatment. So having said that they kinda need to keep Stanley around... lol 😆
Forum: Armchair-GMSat. at 8:53 p.m.
Thread: How far off Canes Fans
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Don’t matter how good the forward group is, that blueline is beyond awful. And what you said lol</div></div>

Well I like that top six a lot more, really like adding Necas and keeping Ehlers cause they need to get faster and Necas can really move!

BUT that bottom six still bores me silly, I like Nino and Names, the other four are snore inducing bores on skates... 🥱
Would swap Lowry and Namestnikov around and see what happens, would try any of Barron, Apples or Iafallo with N&amp;N to see which got the best results though I'd try to find an upgrade or try one of the kids like Lambert or Chibrikov there.

Personally I'd look at moving Iafallo for cap space, was pretty underwhelmed by him, was expecting a bit more and he's not worth $4M.

Is that defense really any worse then it is now? Top pair is the same, Dillon is signed but on the 3rd pair, would a 2nd pair of Dillon/Miller be any worse then Dillon/Pionk? I doubt it, don't mind Miller actually and thought he should've played way more then they used him. A 3rd pair of Samberg/Heinola would be okay, probably no worse then Samberg/Schmidt. Not a great defense but really no worse then what they've been running the last few years.

Ultimately if they want to truly contend they need to make major improvements on the blueline, they need at least two more true top 4 dmen, they need one #2 and a #3 but two #2's would be better since Morrissey isn't really a #1, he's a #1 dman on the Jets but he'd be a #2 or lower on most true contending teams.

If improving the defense costs you Ehlers so be it but you're just filling one hole by digging another. Theres a lot said about Ehlers playoffs and yeah there's some justified criticism there but he's their most productive even strength forward, they're not replacing that with just anyone.

I was impressed with Chevys trade deadline but they were knocked out rather easily in 5, gotta wonder what else they could've invested those picks in, like an RFA or someone with some term attached. Like many have said, Winnipeg just can't be spending good assets on rentals but that's what we did this year and the results were no better.

Miller ended up being a #8 dman and Toffoli didn't do much.
Just make the 2nd line Ehlers-Namestnikov-Nino and they probably get the same results and still have their picks but nooooo they could just never break up the Lowry line and Monahan is good at faceoffs.. 🙄
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23 at 11:34 a.m.
Thread: Marners trade value on this site
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Extreme both ways, leaf fans seem to think that any team should do anything they can to add him, possibly even throw every other plan they had going forward for 1 year of marner. Some teams make zero sense to even have the thought. Utah for instance, why would they move there best young forward and best defenseman and there starting goalie for him and throw in picks for good measure, all for a year of hype. Goes both ways on this one.</div></div>

I understand where you're coming from, but many proposals, for example, Marner to Nashville, make sense. They just got rid of McDonaugh for cap space, and now have enough to make a run at a top-scoring forward, which is what they need. And they have Saros, who can easily be moved now because Nashville has Askarov coming in for him, it's a win/win for both teams. Obviously, Marner has to waive to be moved and would want to sign an extension before Nashville accepts either, But it's not out of the realm of possibility for Marner to be moved.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 23 at 12:38 a.m.
Thread: Marners trade value on this site
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Which why would he sign unless, it’s somewhere where he wants to be, Florida/california/ny/Vegas maybe, possibly somewhere close to Toronto, the leafs wouldn’t want him back messing with them all that regular, so that limits it even more. Then he wants his 11 plus million, so cap room a factor. So cap in/cap out, hockey trade is going to limit some value. Especially with the trend going younger, so 1 year deal of marner is some limited value. Ducks/kings, maybe Canucks or Dallas, would be my guess. We will see?</div></div>

I stand by the thought he will not get traded, the Leafs do not offer him a contract until the 2024-25 season ends, if ever.

Force Marner to preform a magically season.

Everyone forgets Willy was doing a magically season to boost his contract value by scoring @ a 120+ point pace, just the moment he signed, his play and on ice effort dipped and he went back to being a 80 point pace player.

Don't make the same mistake twice.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 11:26 p.m.
Thread: MTL Day Dreaming 2024-25
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>I’ve moved on lol, savoie or kulich could probably bring something interesting at the deadline for some adds or rentals, along with the first, be nice to get a playoff spot early enough to be buyers. Savoie might be an idea for Utah, but not sure what the need is in Buffalo to make it make sense at the moment.</div></div>

I think Buffalo is looking for a shut down type RD
And a solid defensive 3C who can win faceoffs &amp; play a bit of a 2way game at least
Other than that, maybe a bottom6 Pk guy or 2

My assumption, based on all I’ve read/seen is that the Sabres are looking to continue developing their young talent &amp; not looking to make the big splashy moves u see on this site from desperate fans
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 22 at 4:49 p.m.
Thread: Spending
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Might be a spot for lindholm/montour/dillon/tanev. Might be a little bit of a costly adventure, but a couple key cogs going forward and a couple key vets to teach the kids. I like that necas upgrade.</div></div>

I don't these the players you listed a necessary tbh...

Montour/Tanev are top 4 d-men who would want long term deals, which would, IMO, hinder the development of one of the most underrated prospects in the whole league right now IMO, Maveric Lamoureux. In this AGM, Jokiharju serves as a placeholder for until Lamoureux is ready to play top 4 RD minutes. When that happens, their D will look like this:

Moser-Durzi
Skjei-Lamoureux
Valimaki-Jokirarju

As for the veteran leadership, well I completely agree with you, and this is why I added the likes of Skjei and Monahan
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 17 at 2:37 p.m.
Thread: Realistic Leafs Moves pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Would be interesting for sure, believe Arizona gm coming from the school of St. Louis gm tree, so possibly an adjusted blues build. Abundance of big physical blue liners, solid centers that can skate, along with some skilled wingers mixed in. Cash spread amongst the roster, so marner possibly the exception, but possibly a fit, depending on cost. Trading doan could be a bad omen after his dad’s time with the same franchise in theory. If I’m building Utah my main approach is finding the right 2c to offset Cooley, along with a slow and steady build on the blueline. Get ahead of the cap and get some bargain term, and try to put a long run of success together. Kind of need the malkin to the Crosby, and now a letang, and keep it going. I might go looking to Seattle and add wright, little change of scenery, possible bargain from the same draft as Cooley. Cooley/wright/ geekie going forward. Doesn’t have the hype, but slow and steady build.</div></div>

I like the way you're thinking,
I think its less of a bad omen if traded to where his dad is working (dependent on if he's there long term) considering the team folded.
I have a feeling based off the good run at the beginning of the year Utah thinks they can be playoff contenders with more consistency.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 17 at 12:07 a.m.
Thread: Realistic Leafs Moves pt 2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Depending on ufa market, put 5 to 8 years on Reinhardt Or guentzel at a cheaper number, would you not be further ahead than gambling a year on marner, marner has a way of blowing up your payroll, and some jealous teammates. If you keep Keller as your star and top dog, would be a bit of an uproar if all of sudden his contract is 2/3 of another forward. Do you put the C on marner and hand him the keys to the franchise. I just don’t see it, what’s the next contract? His money could basically be split between a d pairing and the build continues. Nothing against marner, but the fit in Utah longterm, I just don’t see it.</div></div>

Reinhart is getting close to the same number by someone 100%, Guentzal gets 9 atleast and is not as talented and would sell less jerseys, after all it is a business (especially for a team needing to prove Arizona was a fluke)
Keep in mind I based this trade of a sign and trade. (So Mitch would be locked up 11x7)
You have a good point on Keller but I also feel Marner would put up the most points either way with Keller so Contract would not be in question. Marner can bring a team to the playoffs. The concern is once your there.
I dont think Marner gets a C wherever he goes, but he runs the powerplay, is one of the best PK in the league, and is a selke finalists for 3 straight years.
I personally think they have a great young D core right now. Even with moving Kesselring and likely a D pick in this years draft.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16 at 10:54 p.m.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 16 at 7:25 p.m.
Thread: What do Jets fans want the return to be for Ehlers
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Possibly a strome and Carlson for Schmidt and ehlers with a ehlers extension, and possibly more involved. Schmidt a cap dump, Carlson a little bit of a crazy contract, but wouldn’t be done there. Possibly a prospect to come too, or a pick back or something. What is the thought in Washington? A quick sort of retool, or lengthy rebuild?</div></div>

Re: strome and Carlson specifically, I can’t see any team actually wanting Carlson, and I’d imagine management is vehemently against moving strome considering he’s their best center and on an awesome contract.

Management wants to stay competitive as long as Ovi is here. Believe it or not, the caps actually have a decent prospect pool coming along. They’ve done really well in the draft since the cup win in 2018, and they’ve kept all but one of their firsts (which turned out to be Wyatt Johnston - ouch). They also have so much draft capital from selling the last two deadlines that they have futures to spare. So even though they’re doing everything they can to continue to compete, they’re not gutting the cupboards. I don’t think they’re going to bottom out in this retool like the hawks and Kings did after they gutted their teams.

I’ve seen the caps linked to Ehlers so I was interested to see if maybe there was something that made sense for both sides. Something like Iorio, the 17th pick in the draft, and maybe another piece for Ehlers and he extends July 1st. But if Winnipeg wants to compete now, it doesn’t make as much sense for them.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 15 at 9:56 p.m.
Thread: Test
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>There’s about 3 avalanche players, Utah would be interested in outside the big 5 untouchables, girard/manson/middlestadt. Need a 2c and need some blueline help, got more than enough on the wings and especially bottom 6 forward types.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Don’t really need the first, Crouse for girard could be interesting</div></div>

Mitts wouldn't be available, pretty much bar an absolute refusal to sign in Colorado. If Girard could bring in Crouse I'd probably do that tbh. Whilst I'm not one of the Girard haters the Avs have at least 4 others in the system who long term might be able to replace him. The Avs probably have to consider it if it's Manson as well though he's actually the harder to replace imo.
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 9:28 p.m.
Thread: Would NYI do this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>11/2 seasons

3 years left on his contract, estimated 1 1/2 years of top 6 ish minutes, hold it down til lambert ready, kind of and expensive namestilkinov. Ya our blueline is awful, how is it questionable if we can replace Dillon from within, let alone demelo. Worst part about our bottom 6 is the extreme loyalty to mediocre, why not give lambert and nibrikov a homestand or a road trip last year instead of one game.</div></div>

Oh, gotcha now.

Yeah I'd be fine with Pageau, he's been a consistent 30-40 point guy, a bit pricey at $5M but whatever.

The Jets defense just isn't all that great, I can't believe anyone in Jetsville thinks its good yet there's fans and local media that don't see it as a problem, in what world is DeMelo a top pair RHD on a true contender ffs?!?! The people who believe that are as delusional as Hellebuyck who thought he played great against Colorado... 🤣.. Did you see his last interview on locker clean out day? The guy needs a psychologist.

The only D prospect that is ready is Heinola but he isn't a replacement for either guy really. Samberg or Stanley should be a Dillon replacement but neither is very physical for their size.

So all the talk about trading Ehlers, I get it and as big a fan as I am of Ehlers I'd be willing to move him for an actual legit top 4 dman with term like a Pulock BUT who's replacing Ehlers, can say what we want about his playoff performance but they don't make the playoffs without him. A 25G/60P mostly at even strength winger isn't gonna drop in their lap, guess Perfetti could take a big step but I wouldn't hold my breath and I really can't see this organization putting a rookie like Lambert at 2RW if a young player like Perfetti is on the other wing. If they sign Monahan a 2nd line of Perfetti, Monahan, Iafallo doesn't sound too exciting to me.

Could see the 3rd line taking a step back offensively next season. They produced like 3rd liners should but all had long droughts of no goals with few points in those stretches, if it wasn't for their good start they likely don't break that 30 point mark is the floor for good 3rd lines and Appleton gets sooooo many meaningless points.

Speaking of loyalty to mediocre, what does the Appleton legacy contract look like?... 🤮
Forum: Armchair-GMMay 8 at 8:09 p.m.
Thread: Would NYI do this
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Birtle34</b></div><div>Ya probably 11/2 of top 6 minutes and 11/2 of bottom 6 minutes, ya I don’t mind that gamble with lambert trajectory offsetting him. Pageau a crafty would be useful for sure. Just think Nelson top end window a little longer than pageau and the difference between ehlers and Connor. All about the hole at rhd, dobson not getting traded, I would drive to ny and go get him myself if it was possible lol</div></div>

Sorry what does 11/2 mean? lol

Our bottom six is still ****e for the most part imo, I really only like Nino and Names, the rest are a yawn 🥱 fest of boring stonehands.

Ya Dobson is worth it but the Isles just ain't moving him, doubt they'll move Nelson either but yeah he's better then Pageau.

F@ck do the Jets need an overhaul, this season just seems like it was a true indication of what this team is and has been for awhile which is not close to being a true contender imo.