If we are giving you Nylander you better be giving us much more in return, specially since Horton just goes on LTIR and costs the Leafs nothing but a contract spot.

What good reason would the leafs do that trade. They don't need a goalie. It's better for the leafs to keep Horton on LTIR than take Orpik

That is, without exageration, one of the worst trade offers I've seen on this site, and I'm not a Leafs fan. Why would Toronto do that?

More like, why would Washington. Johansen is a definite future top four defenseman and recent first round pick. Grubauer is already a starting-level goalie in the NHL. with better numbers than Holtby last year, over thirty games. Orpik knocked the leafs out of the playoffs this spring, and would be happy to do it again the next two years.

Meanwhile, TO is facing $5.3M in fines from the league for cap overages. Some Leafs fans on here suggested that, with over 10M on IR, some of it still counts toward getting those fines. Backstrom definitely plays well with Nylanders, but this price is outrageous for a twenty goal scorer. https://www.hockeyfeed.com/nhl-news/breaking-nhl-fines-10-teams-for-salary-cap-violations

That said, Nylander is better and younger than Orpik, so whle Nylander and Horton for Orpik puts both teams in better salary cap situations, and helps both teams improve at positions where they are weak, Washington should throw in one more piece. Just not three.

Phone call:
Washington: we have interest in William Nylander.
Toronto: *hangs up*

Lol. Sadly, I pictured it more like ths:

Lamoriello: Do you want to pay Nathan Horton 16 Million to eat doughnuts, so I don't have to pay an additional 16 million in league fines?
MacLellan: (giggling) um, if you're offering Matthews.... I could maybe talk to ownership???
Lamoriello: No. I get it. 30 Mil don't grow on trees. You want something good.
MacLellan: Well, our owner cofounded AOL, so money does grow on trees. Now, about Matthews....
Lamoriello: Forget Matthews. He's retiring in blue. But get this: we're willing to offer William Nylander! All we want back is Brooks Orpik and--
MacLellan: NOT BROOOOOOOKSIE!!!!!!!!!!!! (Sobs. Wails. Cries)
Lamoriello: He's as old as I am. And he could never skate worth a dime. You're drunk.
MacLellan: I JUST LOVE BROOKSIEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!
Lamoriello: Um, okay... um, I also want a draft pick.
MacLellan: BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOKSIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Eli, the bonus overage is simply a carryover to the next season. For example, this season Leafs are paying $5.3M in bonuses that were made last year by rookies. This carryover will likely continue as long as Leafs use either Horton or Lupul's LTIR's. They aren't really fines, just delayed payments. Horton's contract move doesn't really help Leafs much and in fact because it is uninsured, very few teams want to pay his actual salary (outside of the Leafs and rich teams).

lol why do the leafs care about fines or LTIR contracts? Do you know how much money the leafs ownership group has?

I'm with the Leafs fans - why would Toronto take this? They don't need Grubi and Johansen is totally unproven. Plus Orpik's horrible contract will eat cap space, while Horton's won't. No upside for the Leafs that I can see.