Quoting: Xqb15a
Ulmark is not a significant upgrade it’s disingenuous to sell it as such. Hilariously bad take that the guy who led the league in wins is back up level. Ulmark has played the last few years with Swayman as his running mate keeping his workload levels at a much easier level as well as zero sense of urgency because the alternate wasn’t a question mark. Georgiev was so over used this year it was ridiculous. He couldn’t ever take off back to back games especially once the wheels fell off on Prosvetov (unfortunately I saw that implosion in person). Outside of game 1 against the Jets he was excellent in the playoffs, and if it was solely the case of the Avs being so good why didn’t they beat the Stars he was the only reason they made it to double OT in games 6 vs the stars. Imo Georgiev and Ulmark are in the exact same tier some where depending on the day between 7 and 15 and you sure as hell don’t kick in your top prospect to stay in the same tier, hell you don’t even get an extra year. The whole thing is ridiculous
I agree that the previous post was disingenuous in calling Georgiev a backup, but I think you have over-corrected when you say these two are in the same tier. You don't need to agree with my trade proposal, but I feel like you have fallen back into "defending my guys" mode.
You are right to put goalies in a range, because their performance does vary a lot. However, by the eye test, I'd say Ullmark is probably somewhere around 5-10 in the league and Georgiev probably fluctuates somewhere in the 15-30 range, where that ordering depends on how other guys in that range around the league are playing just as much as his own play. If you go by regular season GAA and sv%, last year Ullmark was 9 in both and Georgiev was outside of the top 30 in both. Even if I exclude April, or April and March, his general ranking in those stats is in the 30s and 40s range in the league. If we go back the season prior, Georgiev was in the 10-15 range for those stats, while Ullmark was 1 in both. And if we look at fancystats like GSAA to try to isolate the individual performance from the team performance, Ullmark was #1 in 22/23 and #3 in 23/24. Georgiev was an impressive #3 in 22/23, but he fell to #55 in 23/24 (#44 if I only include games through to the beginning of March).
I think both of these guys played to their absolute ceilings in 22/23 and I doubt either one can replicate it going forward. Ullmark probably fell back to his mean performance this year, and Georgiev ultimately probably did not reach his mean performance. He will probably bounce back, as evidenced by his playoff performance. But I still think he'll be a bottom half of the league starter. The good news is that Annunen kid looks promising, so he can hopefully take some of the starts from Georgiev. If that happens, I could see Georgiev moving back up into the 15-10 range. And if Annunen looks good, maybe he becomes the future starter on a cheap contract.
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