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Expensive LT deals for Seider and Raymond

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Team: 2024-25 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Mar. 31, 2024
Published: Mar. 31, 2024
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Wanted to look at Detroit’s cap setup if they pay up for their two key RFAs this summer. Used Werenski/Nurse/McAvoy as comps for Seider and had trouble with Raymond but Jason Robertson comes to mind as a decent comp.

… looks like boatloads of room to try to upgrade the second line / get Kane to come back

I would try to get one of Pesce / Roy / Walker and see about the cost of moving on from one or two of the overpaid depth Dmen
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Mar. 31 at 1:18 a.m.
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Might be a touch rich for Seider. Raymond seems about right.
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Mar. 31 at 1:23 a.m.
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I think Seider gets the Larkin deal 8 x $8,700,000 Raymond gets 8 x $7,500,000 or around 3 x $6,000,000 on a bridge deal.

And noway is Joe Velebo taking a 1 x $900,000 offer rumor has it that he'll get close to the Rasmussen deal probably 4 x $2,200,000.
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Mar. 31 at 1:40 a.m.
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Roy would be my choice. 😁

Leafs fans get angry when I say he's a Michigan boy so Detroit has the inside track.

Ok. 🤭
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Mar. 31 at 5:35 a.m.
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Roy would be my choice. 😁

Leafs fans get angry when I say he's a Michigan boy so Detroit has the inside track.

Ok. 🤭


I hope you're right about Roy and I think Kane resigns.
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Mar. 31 at 9:28 a.m.
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Yeah, I think Roy is logical choice. Still have the cap and maybe don't have to Petry to make it work.
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Mar. 31 at 9:31 a.m.
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I hope you're right about Roy and I think Kane resigns.


I expect Kane to re-sign too.

He seems happy to be a Red Wing.

Poor Cat.

Guy can't buy a break right now.

Everything was going in for him first 2 months of the season.
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Mar. 31 at 9:34 a.m.
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Quoting: MoSeider53
I think Seider gets the Larkin deal 8 x $8,700,000 Raymond gets 8 x $7,500,000 or around 3 x $6,000,000 on a bridge deal.

And noway is Joe Velebo taking a 1 x $900,000 offer rumor has it that he'll get close to the Rasmussen deal probably 4 x $2,200,000.


Joe Velebo. LOL

Sounds like the lost member of the A-Team.

I love it when a plan comes together! 😉

https://youtu.be/_MVonyVSQoM?si=8ocAVq0PYdVU6meH
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I'd be satisfied with those deals but I do question if Seider has earned it this year. I know we put him in tough situations, but many games he just doesn't have the urgency he needs to play with, and gets himself out of position a lot thanks to Lalonees system.

As decent as Veleno was to start the season, I'd consider making him expendable as he may be one of the easier guys to clear off for both cap and roster spots reasons. Him and Fabbri. Both decent players but I think spots we need to improve internally on with likes of Kasper and Mazur/Sodes/Bergers.

Curious to see if Kane/Perron return and I'm guessing no chance on Sprong now that a good season turned into being a healthy down the stretch.

Ideally if we could retain half on Holl and dump him, we could consider an upgrade on D. But it's tricky with AlJo losing his waiver exempt status, we would still surely have to carry 8 D.
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Mar. 31 at 12:10 p.m.
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Joe Velebo. LOL

Sounds like the lost member of the A-Team.

I love it when a plan comes together! 😉

https://youtu.be/_MVonyVSQoM?si=8ocAVq0PYdVU6meH


George Peppard went to High School with my Mom, At the old Dearborn High School in Dearborn, Michigan my Mom was class of 1945 and George Peppard was class of 1946. They lived close to each other.
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Mar. 31 at 4:58 p.m.
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Quoting: MoSeider53
I think Seider gets the Larkin deal 8 x $8,700,000 Raymond gets 8 x $7,500,000 or around 3 x $6,000,000 on a bridge deal.

And noway is Joe Velebo taking a 1 x $900,000 offer rumor has it that he'll get close to the Rasmussen deal probably 4 x $2,200,000.


Tks - glad Veleno has turned a corner a bit this year. The fans wanted him out last offseason!

Quoting: palhal
Yeah, I think Roy is logical choice. Still have the cap and maybe don't have to Petry to make it work.


I like Roy and watch him a bit but the slower dmen I always worry about term. He’s going to get six or seven years which is of course really risky.

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I'd be satisfied with those deals but I do question if Seider has earned it this year. I know we put him in tough situations, but many games he just doesn't have the urgency he needs to play with, and gets himself out of position a lot thanks to Lalonees system.

As decent as Veleno was to start the season, I'd consider making him expendable as he may be one of the easier guys to clear off for both cap and roster spots reasons. Him and Fabbri. Both decent players but I think spots we need to improve internally on with likes of Kasper and Mazur/Sodes/Bergers.

Curious to see if Kane/Perron return and I'm guessing no chance on Sprong now that a good season turned into being a healthy down the stretch.

Ideally if we could retain half on Holl and dump him, we could consider an upgrade on D. But it's tricky with AlJo losing his waiver exempt status, we would still surely have to carry 8 D.


This was the line of thinking that made me build out a roster and take a peak. I personally would target Pesce on something like 5 x $7.5M (high cap lower term)
And wanted to see if you need to move a dman to make the cap work.

You don’t really need to from a cap perspective but good point re: roster construction.

I don’t think it would be hard to find a home for Holl at half-retained. Calgary Vancouver and Seattle all come to mind immediately.
Mar. 31 at 10:24 p.m.
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Quoting: DopeGM
Tks - glad Veleno has turned a corner a bit this year. The fans wanted him out last offseason!



I like Roy and watch him a bit but the slower dmen I always worry about term. He’s going to get six or seven years which is of course really risky.



This was the line of thinking that made me build out a roster and take a peak. I personally would target Pesce on something like 5 x $7.5M (high cap lower term)
And wanted to see if you need to move a dman to make the cap work.

You don’t really need to from a cap perspective but good point re: roster construction.

I don’t think it would be hard to find a home for Holl at half-retained. Calgary Vancouver and Seattle all come to mind immediately.


I agree with you on give long term to Dmen at age 30.. Some just hit the wall....suddenly. Leafs have with Brodie this season. Holl for the Wings. Sure some will defy the wall till latter.
Holl half retained might happen, but players have M NTC for a reason.
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Quoting: palhal
I agree with you on give long term to Dmen at age 30.. Some just hit the wall....suddenly. Leafs have with Brodie this season. Holl for the Wings. Sure some will defy the wall till latter.
Holl half retained might happen, but players have M NTC for a reason.


10-teamer NTC. So probably most of Canada and a few other spots (sometimes high tax, sometimes personal preference like NJ, etc etc). That leaves a lot of teams that would like Holl at 2 X $1.7M I figure.

I had assumed Yzerman was just going to further bury Holl and then possibly bury Petry. But the waivers status and Edvinsson making the team mean a move is more likely.

Here’s a longer list of teams I could see liking Holl at 2 x $1.7 w/o the Canadian teams and assuming roster holes this offseason:

Minny
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SEA
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Quoting: SharkTank
I expect Kane to re-sign too.

He seems happy to be a Red Wing.

Poor Cat.

Guy can't buy a break right now.

Everything was going in for him first 2 months of the season.


Yeah but he's still working his ass off so you can't really fault him for it. As long as he keeps working hard the team and fans will stay behind him.
 
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