Sure, but you forgot to include Skjei

what's wrong with you?

giving you our top prospect and a first to take staal when getting another black hole?-- hard pass

Exactly, what's wrong with you?

I'm going to give you two prospects, one a goalie...AND a 1st round pick ...for the privilege of trading black holes with you? Just ask for Skjei while you're at it, why not? =)

you might have forgotten just how bad Staal is. Söderberg might be salvageable. he was better in Boston and fell off a cliff in COL.

and Halverson is the 4th best goalie prospect in the NYR system. Gropp might not make the NHL at all.

Saying he is 4th on the Rangers depth chart says what about his overall value? He's a top 10 ranked goalie prospect, easy to look it up....Strike 1....

Nothing...and I mean nothing can erase Staal's badness from my mind...nothing...however YOU might have forgotten that Soderberg had 6g/8a in 80 games while being a -26, yes...that's MINUS 26!! That's somehow better than Staal?? That's 4 more points than snow angel Marc, a defenseman!...and Staal still managed to go +9 playing 2nd pair minutes. What line does Soderberg play on again? Does he have a better chance of salvaging something?...who knows, maybe? But that is far, FAR from guaranteed! As both players stand now, I would argue that Staal has more "value" (wow did I just say that?) than Soderberg, dude would be a healthy scratch on 80% of the other teams in the league. Pretty sure that's a foul tip for ....Strike 2...

Saying Gropp "might" not make the NHL while your asking for him in a trade is kind of contradictory, no? Ignoring that, you could say the same thing and insert the name of 90% of the prospects around the AHL. It doesn't take much to actually look up scouting reports and player rankings to see he has just as good a shot to make the NHL as say Duclair or Buchnevich, but I am not going to even bother arguing this because it's all opinion when it comes to guys who haven't even played an NHL game....I'm gonna give you ball 1 on this...

All of these..what do you call them...oh..facts added together begs the question again, how does this equal you should get a top 10 ranked goalie prospect and a might make the NHL prospect....oh that's right and a 1st ROUND PICK??? for Carl Sodersuck? lol...guess what? I think you just struck out! =)

I'm a Rangers fan. I'm not asking for anything.
a) citing +/- as statistic basically disqualifies that post anyway
b) the Rangers NEED to get rid of Staal bad more than COL needs to get rid of Söderberg, so they will have to pay up for it.
c) Gropp is the throw in to fill up COLs prospect system with longshot NHL players. theirs sucks even worse than NYRs
d) I'd really like a source on the Halverson projection.

I'm a Rangers fan. I'm not asking for anything.
a) citing +/- as statistic basically disqualifies that post anyway
b) the Rangers NEED to get rid of Staal bad more than COL needs to get rid of Söderberg, so they will have to pay up for it.
c) Gropp is the throw in to fill up COLs prospect system with longshot NHL players. theirs sucks even worse than NYRs
d) I'd really like a source on the Halverson projection.[/quote]

a) how does stating a factual, tracked statistic disqualify anything? So do goals and assists not count either? How would you like to measure the player? Because in every measurable way he was horrible, which was the point...not sure how saying anything about +/- changes that.
b) based on the fact that colorado isn't going anywhere anytime soon, I will give you that the Rangers would like to move Staal more. But the basis for the whole question was just how much you are saying should be given up to rid themselves of him. and it still doesn't change the fact that colorado would love to unload Soderberg. I would again argue that Staal does more for them than Soderberg does...but that's an opinion.
c) being a self professed Ranger fan, you should know how they rate Gropp. If colorado's system is worse than ours, then how does that make Gropp just a throw in? in doing a quick search on just about every site that rates hockey prospects, Gropp is rated about equal with previous players like Duclair, Buchnevich, Lindberg...on and on. Is that a guarantee? Of course not, but a throw in? Stop..
d) your turn to search, first one was on me. In either case, being a Ranger fan you should already know, pretending you don't doesn't prove anything. Is he their highest rated goalie prospect, no he isn't. That doesn't mean he should be valued less because of it. He would instantly be the top rated goalie prospect for about 10-15 teams around the league, doesn't sound like a throw in to me.

Oh...I forgot...and a first rounder? lol the first rounder BY ITSELF would get Staal moved...hence what's wrong with you?

On the subject of being a Ranger fan, that makes it all explainable now. It's your blinding hatred for Staal that would cause you to move just about anything to see him go. On that we can finally agree, he needs to go!

good thing this never happened