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Trading Duchene for Ekholm and Sissons and getting younger.

Created by: Willian_Cardoso
Team: 2017-18 Colorado Avalanche
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 10, 2017
Published: Jul. 10, 2017
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Trading Duchene for Ekholm will bring the much needed mobile d-man.

Trading away Colborne and Comeua will give some draft picks and get Avs younger.

So, it's time to rejuvenate the team to become competitive in the near future.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$2,000,000
1$1,250,000
1$950,000
2$800,000
2$650,000
2$875,000
Trades
1.
COL
  1. Ekholm, Mattias
  2. Sissons, Colton
  3. 2018 4th round pick (NSH)
Additional Details:
If Sissons reaches between 30 and 35 points, next season. then Predators receives Avs 2018 4th round pick. Between 36 and 40 points, Avs 2018 3rd round pick. More than 40 points, Avs 2018 2nd round pick.
2.
COL
  1. 2018 5th round pick (PIT)
  2. 2019 7th round pick (PIT)
Additional Details:
If Colborne re-signs with Pens, then Avs will receive their 2019 5th rpund, instead of 7th.
PIT
  1. Colborne, Joe ($1,000,000 retained)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2018
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2019
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2020
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$75,000,000$61,497,262$0$1,587,500$13,502,738

Roster

Left WingCentreRight Wing
$5,571,429$5,571,429
LW, C
UFA - 4
$6,300,000$6,300,000
C
UFA - 6
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RW, LW
UFA - 2
$3,937,500$3,937,500
C, LW
UFA - 2
$625,000$625,000
C, RW
UFA - 2
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
RW, C
UFA - 2
$4,750,000$4,750,000
C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
$875,000$875,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$75,000$75K)
C, RW
UFA - 2
$885,833$885,833 (Performance Bonus$662,500$662K)
C
UFA - 3
$800,000$800,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
$950,000$950,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$3,750,000$3,750,000
LD/RD
UFA - 5
$6,000,000$6,000,000
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 6
$5,900,000$5,900,000
G
UFA - 2
$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
$2,750,000$2,750,000
RD
UFA - 3
$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
$750,000$750,000
LD
UFA - 1
$925,000$925,000
D
RFA - 2
$875,000$875,000
LD
UFA - 1

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Jul. 10, 2017 at 4:04 p.m.
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Ekholm is an elite, #1 defensemen. Duchene is a 2c.
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Jul. 10, 2017 at 5:28 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
Ekholm is an elite, #1 defensemen. Duchene is a 2c.


Ekholm is not an elite, #1 defenseman.
But he is pretty darn good, Press say no.
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Jul. 10, 2017 at 7:42 p.m.
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Quoting: hawksfan88
Quoting: phillyjabroni
Ekholm is an elite, #1 defensemen. Duchene is a 2c.


Ekholm is not an elite, #1 defenseman.
But he is pretty darn good, Press say no.


do you have any sort of advanced analytics to support your case? HERO Chart : 24 (TOI 6) [Ekholm] ; HERO Chart #1 Defensemen : 24 (TOI 8)
Jul. 10, 2017 at 8:10 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
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Ekholm is not an elite, #1 defenseman.
But he is pretty darn good, Press say no.


do you have any sort of advanced analytics to support your case? HERO Chart : 24 (TOI 6) [Ekholm] ; HERO Chart #1 Defensemen : 24 (TOI 8)


even with advanced analytics that is a very bold claim!
Jul. 10, 2017 at 8:13 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
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Ekholm is not an elite, #1 defenseman.
But he is pretty darn good, Press say no.


do you have any sort of advanced analytics to support your case? HERO Chart : 24 (TOI 6) [Ekholm] ; HERO Chart #1 Defensemen : 24 (TOI 8)


Mid-career, great contract too
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Jul. 10, 2017 at 8:42 p.m.
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Quoting: skinnypete96
Quoting: phillyjabroni


do you have any sort of advanced analytics to support your case? HERO Chart : 24 (TOI 6) [Ekholm] ; HERO Chart #1 Defensemen : 24 (TOI 8)


even with advanced analytics that is a very bold claim!


Not really. He's top 15 I think in WAR and has good numbers
Jul. 10, 2017 at 11:55 p.m.
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I think Ekholm is a great d-man. But not elite one. In my opinion, elite d-men are Karlsson, Doughty, Keith, Josi, Ellis, Weber Pietrangelo ..Ekholm is not on that level. No way! But he's great for sure.

Duchene have just one below average season. Last one. But Avs were terrible as a team last season. So, it doesn't count at all. He has great career numbers in general. So I think my trade is fair.
Jul. 11, 2017 at 12:20 a.m.
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I think Ekholm is a great d-man. But not elite one. In my opinion, elite d-men are Karlsson, Doughty, Keith, Josi, Ellis, Weber Pietrangelo ..Ekholm is not on that level. No way! But he's great for sure.

Duchene have just one below average season. Last one. But Avs were terrible as a team last season. So, it doesn't count at all. He has great career numbers in general. So I think my trade is fair.


Duchene in his 8 seasons has only topped 30 goals once (30) and has only topped 40 assists twice (40, 47) [not in the same season as the 30 goal campaign]. Ekholm is 7th in WAR ranking (Josi is 21, Doughty is 17, Keith is 32, Weber is 15, Pietrangelo is 43, Karlsson is 2)

Ekholm produces #1 level HERO Charts, but has "2" less TOI blocks. If we were to compare him to Doughty, Keith, Karlsson, Josi, Ellis, Weber, Pietrangelo, here is what we would find:

Ekholm - 4 per 1 TOI (24/6)
Josi - 3.11 per 1 TOI (28/9)
Keith - 3 per 1 TOI (27/9)
Ellis : 4.66 per 1 TOI (28/6)
Weber - 2.66 per 1 TOI (24/9)
Doughty - 2.6 per 1 TOI (26/10)
Pietrangelo - 3 per TOI (27/9)
E. Karlsson - 3.3 per 1 TOI (33/10)

Per the HERO Charts [found on http://ownthepuck.blogspot.com) Ekholm is second on scaled value, better than then all of the elite defenders that you had said, expect for Ellis.

Matt Duchene Hero Chart is equal to that of a 2nd line center in 2015-2017. here are the following for the past 5 years:

2011-2013 : 23 (TOI 7)
2012-2014 : 25 (TOI 7)
2013-2015 : 25 (TOI 8)
2014-2016 : 25 (TOI 7)
2015-2017 : 22 (TOI 7)

Average HERO : 24 (TOI 7.2)

It can be concluded that matt duchene experiences the same HERO Chart rating equal to a 2c
Jul. 11, 2017 at 9:30 p.m.
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Quoting: phillyjabroni
Quoting: Willian_Cardoso
I think Ekholm is a great d-man. But not elite one. In my opinion, elite d-men are Karlsson, Doughty, Keith, Josi, Ellis, Weber Pietrangelo ..Ekholm is not on that level. No way! But he's great for sure.

Duchene have just one below average season. Last one. But Avs were terrible as a team last season. So, it doesn't count at all. He has great career numbers in general. So I think my trade is fair.


Duchene in his 8 seasons has only topped 30 goals once (30) and has only topped 40 assists twice (40, 47) [not in the same season as the 30 goal campaign]. Ekholm is 7th in WAR ranking (Josi is 21, Doughty is 17, Keith is 32, Weber is 15, Pietrangelo is 43, Karlsson is 2)

Ekholm produces #1 level HERO Charts, but has "2" less TOI blocks. If we were to compare him to Doughty, Keith, Karlsson, Josi, Ellis, Weber, Pietrangelo, here is what we would find:

Ekholm - 4 per 1 TOI (24/6)
Josi - 3.11 per 1 TOI (28/9)
Keith - 3 per 1 TOI (27/9)
Ellis : 4.66 per 1 TOI (28/6)
Weber - 2.66 per 1 TOI (24/9)
Doughty - 2.6 per 1 TOI (26/10)
Pietrangelo - 3 per TOI (27/9)
E. Karlsson - 3.3 per 1 TOI (33/10)

Per the HERO Charts [found on http://ownthepuck.blogspot.com) Ekholm is second on scaled value, better than then all of the elite defenders that you had said, expect for Ellis.

Matt Duchene Hero Chart is equal to that of a 2nd line center in 2015-2017. here are the following for the past 5 years:

2011-2013 : 23 (TOI 7)
2012-2014 : 25 (TOI 7)
2013-2015 : 25 (TOI 8)
2014-2016 : 25 (TOI 7)
2015-2017 : 22 (TOI 7)

Average HERO : 24 (TOI 7.2)

It can be concluded that matt duchene experiences the same HERO Chart rating equal to a 2c/quote]

It's a good point. I admit it. Maybe you're right. Maybe don't. Ithink it's an arguable subject. That's why the armchair is so interesting.

Thank you for your explanation.
 
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