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2023-2024 NHL Discussion Thread #2: Early Overreactions

Dec. 10, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
David Perron was offered an IN-person hearing (which generally is a sign of a 5+ game suspension) for his attack on Zub


Seems like what he did has been really rare this year. Seems like as I think back in time, it has been more and more prevalent the further I go.

I wonder if the league has mentioned this type of stuff, which kinda explains why he’s about to get hit with the book.

Imma guess 10 well deserved games. As a diehard Perron fan.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 4:27 p.m.
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If the NHL copies the NBA in-season tournament were doomed

As its really just a waste

Unless it has playoff implications for the winner its just not worth


Yeah that’s what they said about the NBA in-season tournament and we all saw what happened
Dec. 10, 2023 at 5:00 p.m.
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Quoting: IconicHawk
Yeah that’s what they said about the NBA in-season tournament and we all saw what happened


Now they still experimenting in the NBA so im holding off as I want to see the finished product next year. As apparently they still deciding if it could have playoff implications.

Anyways yea NHL dont do the same wait till NBA finishes it then see its viable or not.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 5:12 p.m.
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I don't care what anybody says, Draisaitl is the most overrated player in the NHL
Dec. 10, 2023 at 5:14 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Now they still experimenting in the NBA so im holding off as I want to see the finished product next year. As apparently they still deciding if it could have playoff implications.

Anyways yea NHL dont do the same wait till NBA finishes it then see its viable or not.


I think it could work in NHL and it doesn't have to have any playoff cred., but it could.

In minor hockey, there's Christmas tourneys and Easter/Spring ones all the time that do not factor into end of the year playoffs.
They are a great way to amp up the middle of the season and get your team going for season's end...
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I don't care what anybody says, Draisaitl is the most overrated player in the NHL

Interesting take
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 6:12 p.m.
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Quoting: oilersguy
Interesting take


It's weird because he has a lethal shot, but he's definitely not a game changer. I feel like any highlight of his involves someone else doing all of the work and him finishing it.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 6:47 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
It's weird because he has a lethal shot, but he's definitely not a game changer. I feel like any highlight of his involves someone else doing all of the work and him finishing it.


He's like a striker in soccer/futbol. If you don't have a good one you're team will struggle at scoring; but if you have a good one you notice all the great support they get but still get the glory.

Better to have it than not; but hard to value something that is that rare
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Dec. 10, 2023 at 7:43 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I don't care what anybody says, Draisaitl is the most overrated player in the NHL


He is a top-10 player, top-15 at worst…hard say he is “most” overrated…too few spots to move up (vs say, a top-600 player called a top-30 player).
Dec. 10, 2023 at 8:02 p.m.
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
He is a top-10 player, top-15 at worst…hard say he is “most” overrated…too few spots to move up (vs say, a top-600 player called a top-30 player).


Draisaitl is pretty much unanimously a top 5 player in the league according to a large majority of analysts and hockey fans. He's not.
Dec. 10, 2023 at 8:13 p.m.
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Quoting: McGruff
I think it could work in NHL and it doesn't have to have any playoff cred., but it could.

In minor hockey, there's Christmas tourneys and Easter/Spring ones all the time that do not factor into end of the year playoffs.
They are a great way to amp up the middle of the season and get your team going for season's end...


I mean the playoff stuff would be more so for WC or to where they would fight a WC team for the remaining spot
Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:08 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
I mean the playoff stuff would be more so for WC or to where they would fight a WC team for the remaining spot


Or they could just fight for big-$$$$-each or so...all good!
Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:09 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Draisaitl is pretty much unanimously a top 5 player in the league according to a large majority of analysts and hockey fans. He's not.


Who are your top-5?
Dec. 10, 2023 at 9:47 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
It's weird because he has a lethal shot, but he's definitely not a game changer. I feel like any highlight of his involves someone else doing all of the work and him finishing it.


He’s also one of the best passers in the league. His accuracy/vision lead make life very easy for the guys who he plays with
Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:00 p.m.
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Who are your top-5?


Hard to differentiate between forwards and defenders so I'll just do forwards.

McDavid
Mackinnon
Hughes
Pastrnak
Panarin (definitely underrated)
Dec. 10, 2023 at 10:49 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Yeah, that was just weird, he lost his cool and jumped Zub... Who was not responsible for anything, if he went over and just held Zub or something that seems on par for scuffle after injuries but why attack Zub when you have no reason to


Perron has a walnut for a brain clearly
Dec. 11, 2023 at 12:00 a.m.
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It’s amazing how much your team finally not sucking does to positively affect one’s mental health
Dec. 11, 2023 at 12:33 a.m.
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It’s amazing how much your team finally not sucking does to positively affect one’s mental health


Must be nice
Dec. 11, 2023 at 12:41 a.m.
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Sharks won the Karlsson trade
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Dec. 11, 2023 at 7:58 a.m.
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Sharks won the Karlsson trade


Gonna be be looking real nice for them once they have the 12th Overall pick, and Granlund + Hoffman both look like trade chips. Granlunds got 18 points in 21 games.

Meanwhile, Karlsson has played well in PIT, better than I expected even, but Pittsburgh has to make the playoffs + Karlsson has to play well for them to be considered as the winners there.

I know it's an unpopular take, but I think Grier has done a fairly good job in San Jose. They were one of the most undesirable jobs with their lack of prospect pool, # of long and lengthy contracts, and their difficult ownership. There is a few times I would've drafted differently but overall I think he's done pretty well. I think San Jose is on the right track.
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Dec. 11, 2023 at 8:49 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Why isn't anybody talking about Matt Tkachuk falling on his face this year? He went from 109 points last year to on pace for 60 this year. Scored 40 goals last year, On pace for 12.5 Goals this year....


Bc the media only talks about a Tkachuk when they are doing well
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Dec. 11, 2023 at 8:50 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Hard to differentiate between forwards and defenders so I'll just do forwards.

McDavid
Mackinnon
Hughes
Pastrnak
Panarin (definitely underrated)


^Very hot and wrong take not to include Matthews^
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Dec. 11, 2023 at 9:16 a.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
^Very hot and wrong take not to include Matthews^


Too inconsistent IMO. Dudes invisible most nights and then he'll get 5 in one.
Dec. 11, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Too inconsistent IMO. Dudes invisible most nights and then he'll get 5 in one.


Get your point but I don't think Matthews has actually gotten 5 in 1 lol

But I don't think the statsheet tells the full story about Matthews... Kind of reminds me about the areas of progress that Slaf is doing better in...

Then you factor in the defence and the increase Defensive zone start %... He's impressed me this season
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Dec. 11, 2023 at 10:52 a.m.
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Get your point but I don't think Matthews has actually gotten 5 in 1 lol

But I don't think the statsheet tells the full story about Matthews... Kind of reminds me about the areas of progress that Slaf is doing better in...

Then you factor in the defence and the increase Defensive zone start %... He's impressed me this season


I'm not saying he's a **** player or anything, he's top 10 and at times can be the best player in the world, but the top 5 is reserved for the Elite of the Elite.
 
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