Keep Joseph

No team is touching Joseph without Dorion attaching assets to him. Too much money and term left His value isn't all that great.

Just add a 3rd or something back and it'll probably work.

Joseph and a third you’re saying?

Welcome to CapFriendly ACGM. Unfortunately, everybody on this site believes Joseph is a bum and wouldn't take on his contract for less than a 1st as a sweetener.

I think you need to balance the cost of not having Pinto in the lineup versus the cost of moving Joseph, as well as losing Joseph. I think the Flyers have a relatively low marginal cost to using the available salary cap space on Joseph, but with few teams willing and able to absorb Joseph's contract (or Kubalik/Brannstrom), the markets will reward scarcity. I'd do any trade for him with a middle round pick attached personally, but feel that the Flyers will be able to leverage their ask with few options available to Ottawa. Joseph as a player is a solid bottom-sixer and great penalty killer, but Ottawa has limited leverage in any deal.

Yeah Joseph and a 3rd feels fair. Flyers got an extra 2nd for taking Petersen's 2 by 5 mil contract, so I think a 3rd for taking Joseph's 3 by 2.95 mil is fair.

Lol you mean the GMs around the league KNOW he’s a bum and won’t accept anything other than a 1st or a real good prospect for taking him

3rd is way too little that would be robbery by Dorion

Eh Joseph is a solid bottom six player who's just getting paid too much. I don't think its too much of a downside especially with the cap we have. I'd obviously want more but cap dumps don't usually get more than an extra pick or two when sent off to die in bottom feeder hell.

He won't even be considered to be getting paid too much in the near future, mark my words.


Dorion will make the right choice here, they were very high on Joseph for a while and finally got him. They see that "he's back mentally and physically"

I love Brannstrom and know he has not done progressing but makes the most sense to move. Well, him or Kubalik

I mean the GMs asking for a 1st or equivalent disagree

Well they can ask but that doesn't mean its what they're gonna get. The act of bartering usually has one party start high and the other low until meeting sonewhere in the middle.

Joseph isn't a bad player and the Sens would only need to get rid of him because of their underlying cap issues, and since they don't need to worry about signing Pinto until around late October or November for him to be eligible the Sens can holdout until the price drops.

GMs can want a 1st back, but that's not likely to happen. He's not a bad player eating salary while doing nothing, he just has more than he should and that's acting as a blocker for other transactions.

At best Flyers might be able to get a 2nd and Boucher, but that's aiming high since Joseph isn't a dump, he's cap relief.

Just made me think about something... It's actually very possible that they sign Pinto later because they are compliant right now (but no space) and depending on what happens in the first few months (LTIR or trade?), then they could even give him a long term deal

People are anxious about going into the season without Pinto but...

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Tarasenko
Kubalik - Norris - Batherson
Greig - Giroux - Joseph
Sokolov - Kastelic - MacEwen

Sanderson - Chychrun
Chabot - Zub
Brannstrom - JBD
Hamonic

I just made a thread about it

https://www.capfriendly.com/forums/thread/763592

GMs can ask whatever they want because they have to move someone to get Pinto in. It’s not so much that Joseph is below average (which he is) as much as the fact that their golden boy prospect is sitting out of training camp cause they can’t sign him

But they only get so much leverage, because by refusing to lower their asking price they're losing out on potential assets, even if they aren't max value. Like Flyers could demand a 1st, but if the refuse to budge they lose out on not just their asking price, but the other potential assets they could've gotten instead.

Its true the Sens would rather get Pinto in asap so he doesn't go rusty, but they aren't going to be a bad team without him. So the Sens aren't in a no other options mindset.

TLDR: Both teams have a chance of winning or losing since the Sens could lose assets to sign their guy while the Flyers could hold out but then lose the chance of getting any assets.

Edit: Phone keyboards suck

I see it as a win win either we get 1st or Bouch and a 2nd/3rd as a return for taking Joseph or we don’t have to take Joseph and his crap contract for 3 years lol. The Sens are lose lose they either pay the price to get rid of him or their next superstar (according to Sens fans) continues to sit out cause their GM is an idiot.