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My ask for Erik K

Team: 2023-24 San Jose Sharks
Initial Creation Date: Jul. 22, 2023
Published: Jul. 22, 2023
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
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Prime 100 point Erik Karlsson is decent. For San Jose to pay him $21 million to not play for them, not sell tickets to their games or merchandise costs A LOT - Hence the trade is for an excellent Top 4 D, a prime D prospect a middling Forward prospect, a 1st rounder (20-32 overall) and PHI 2nd (33-40 overall). Its a steal!

Sharks can then flip Pesce to a team looking for RHD and pushing. Could make it Jokiharju and a 1st tbh, but lets not be greedy
Trades
1.
SJS
  1. Nikishin, Alexander [Reserve List]
  2. Pesce, Brett
  3. Trikozov, Gleb [Reserve List]
  4. 2024 1st round pick (CAR)
  5. 2024 2nd round pick (PHI)
CAR
  1. Karlsson, Erik ($5,250,000 retained)
2.
SJS
  1. Jokiharju, Henri
  2. 2024 7th round pick (BUF)
  3. 2025 2nd round pick (BUF)
Buyouts
Retained Salary Transactions
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
22$83,500,000$73,045,834$25,000$1,062,500$10,454,166
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$863,333$863,333 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LW
RFA - 3
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$8,000,000$8,000,000
C
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RW, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$3,000,000$3,000,000
LW, RW
UFA - 1
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$6,750,000$6,750,000
C
NMC
UFA - 7
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RW, LW
RFA - 1
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$800,000$800,000
LW, RW
UFA - 2
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 2
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$4,725,000$4,725,000
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
LW
UFA - 1
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$775,000$775,000
LW, C
RFA - 1
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$1,450,000$1,450,000
RW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$3,250,000$3,250,000
LD
UFA - 3
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$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
RFA - 1
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$2,350,000$2,350,000
G
UFA - 2
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$7,000,000$7,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
RD
UFA - 3
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
G
UFA - 1
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$912,500$912,500 (Performance Bonus$212,500$212K)
LD
RFA - 1
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$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$2,250,000$2,250,000
LD/RD
UFA - 1
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$2,750,000$2,750,000
RW, C
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
LD/RD
UFA - 3

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Jul. 23, 2023 at 9:46 a.m.
#51
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Quoting: Random2152
But it does hamstring their ability to rebuild


so does losing a retention slot and 5+mil for nothing
Jul. 23, 2023 at 12:29 p.m.
#52
RETIRED
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Quoting: chaserice
No I'm not, he was getting all the minutes and the opportunities on the Sharks. He would have a lessened role in a team that doesn't need to solely rely on him


In TOR EK65 would be on the top pairing and probably QB PP1 lol
Jul. 23, 2023 at 1:39 p.m.
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Yes, having San Jose to pay $21 million not to play for them should cost a lot but you have to take into account which portion is an overpayment... So if both agrees that EK's cap hit should be 9.0 for example, 2.5 in retention is San Jose's sunk cost
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Jul. 23, 2023 at 2:42 p.m.
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Go Habs Go
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Quoting: Xspyrit
Yes, having San Jose to pay $21 million not to play for them should cost a lot but you have to take into account which portion is an overpayment... So if both agrees that EK's cap hit should be 9.0 for example, 2.5 in retention is San Jose's sunk cost


At $11M, there are currently 2 teams capable of absorbing his cap hit, neither of which are contenders that EK is waiving for, so there is no market.
The question is how much does SJ have to absorb to even create a market where a contender can realistically fit him in.

You have to go all the way up to a cap difference of $4M to even get 2 possible destinations (Detroit and Nashville), and there are still no true contenders, meaning no market yet.
The only realistic way Karlsson is moved to an actual contender, is if the net change in cap can be reduced to $2-3M with a combination of retention and contracts included.

For example: You could take Campbell from Edmonton + Retain $3M on Karlsson and make them a possible destination, but that has to be the starting point of any negotiation just to bring them into the conversation, so you aren't getting (significant) assets for either taking Campbell or the retention. Any actual value in trade begins from that point.

That could open up once the cap begins increasing, but the current market is tapped out so that's closer to the current reality.
The risk there, is that EK's value, performance, or health declines before there is enough money in the market for a more reasonable deal.
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Jul. 23, 2023 at 3:30 p.m.
#55
Just Keep Swimming
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Quoting: bagelbob
so does losing a retention slot and 5+mil for nothing


Not really no
Jul. 23, 2023 at 4:30 p.m.
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Bickellai Khabibulin
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Quoting: Caniac2000
LMAO, what? San Jose have almost 0 leverage. EK wants out, San Jose are rebuilding, and there are other RD options including, oh hey look Brett Pesce!. If San Jose want any major return for him at all, they're eating half his contract, and they sure as hell ain't getting Nikishin


Then there's no deal. Why trade your best and most import player for nothing in return. Carolina, or any team trading has to give away cap, karlsson is a phenomenal player and San Jose have to retain $21 million. Do you know how much that is?
Jul. 23, 2023 at 4:43 p.m.
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Quoting: Bickellai_Khabibulin
Then there's no deal. Why trade your best and most import player for nothing in return. Carolina, or any team trading has to give away cap, karlsson is a phenomenal player and San Jose have to retain $21 million. Do you know how much that is?


They have to retain on a player that's 33 with injury issues? They'd have to do that if a team had room for EK. They had a chance to maximize their return for him but wouldn't retain more than 20% at the deadline. As soon as they realise they're going to need to eat about 50% to move him, they'll start getting the return they want
 
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