Why I disagree that Yzerman overspent on UFAs

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Created by: Hat_Trick_Swayze

Team: 2025-26 Detroit Red Wings

Initial Creation Date: Jul. 13, 2023

Published: Jul. 13, 2023

Salary Cap Mode: Basic

Description

- This is the current team built from within in '25-'26 with no further UFA signings or trades.

- Some extensions are adjusted a year as they would have started in '24-'25.

- Seems we all agree Seider will get 8 years, Raymond gets a bridge, and Yzerman doesn't give real term to anyone else.

- I re-signed Sprong, Kostin, and Husso to similar deals though they probably get more with the cap going up. With this set up Danielson, Kasper, Mazur, Edvinsson, Wallinder, Johansson and Cossa need raises in '26-'27, but some of these ELCs will undoubtedly slide to stagger cap. I also think Lombardi's play will force them to make a move.

- Chiarot, Holl, and Walman all come off the books in '26. I could see a Chiarot buyout or trade/dump and also a Walman trade before. That leaves almost 34 mil in cap in '26-'27 with 12 players signed.

- 55 million in '27-'28 with 7 signed. If worst comes to worst, this is where you buyout Compher's last season.

- To me this is the realistic timeline to build a perennial contender again. Yzerman was 32? when he first won and Larkin starts this season ('25-'26) at 29. I'm patient. Cook, Steve. I'd rather wait and not be selling off pieces 6, 7? years into the playoff streak with one series win or somethin' craaaaazy like that. That **** would SUCK.

- LGRW

Free Agent Signings

RESERVE LIST	YEARS	CAP HIT
Sandin Pellikka, Axel	3	$925,000
Augustine, Trey	3	$925,000
Buium, Shai	3	$925,000
Dower Nilsson, Liam	3	$925,000
Dower Nilsson, Noah	3	$925,000
Gibson, Andrew	3	$925,000
Gylander, Carter	3	$925,000
James, Dylan	3	$925,000
Johansson, Anton	3	$925,000
Buchelnikov, Dmitri	3	$925,000
Ali, Brennan	3	$925,000
Niederbach, Theodor	3	$925,000

RFA	YEARS	CAP HIT
Berggren, Jonatan	3	$3,700,000
Seider, Moritz	7	$9,530,000
Raymond, Lucas	3	$5,230,000
Rasmussen, Michael	3	$4,000,000
Söderblom, Elmer	2	$1,000,000
Johansson, Albert	1	$1,000,000
Kostin, Klim	1	$2,000,000
Veleno, Joseph	1	$1,000,000
Hanas, Cross	1	$950,000
Tuomisto, Antti	1	$950,000
Viro, Eemil	1	$950,000

UFA		YEARS	CAP HIT
Husso, Ville		2	$3,600,000
Sprong, Daniel		2	$3,000,000

Buyouts

Justin Abdelkader: $1,055,556

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2024
2025
2026

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
24	$92,000,000	$80,283,889	$0	$3,700,000	$11,716,111

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Mazur, Carter $905,833$905,833 LW RFA - 1	Larkin, Dylan $8,700,000$8,700,000 C NTC UFA - 6	DeBrincat, Alex $7,875,000$7,875,000 LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2
Raymond, Lucas $5,230,000$5,230,000 RW, LW RFA	Danielson, Nate $918,333$918,333 ($1,000,000$1M) C RFA - 2	Berggren, Jonatan $3,700,000$3,700,000 RW, LW RFA
Rasmussen, Michael $4,000,000$4,000,000 LW, C UFA - 3	Kasper, Marco $886,667$886,667 ($1,000,000$1M) C RFA - 2	Sprong, Daniel $3,000,000$3,000,000 RW, LW UFA
Copp, Andrew $5,625,000$5,625,000 C, LW, RW M-NTC UFA - 2	Compher, J.T. $5,100,000$5,100,000 C, RW M-NTC UFA - 3	Söderblom, Elmer $1,000,000$1,000,000 LW, C RFA
Kostin, Klim $2,000,000$2,000,000 LW, RW RFA	Veleno, Joseph $1,000,000$1,000,000 C RFA

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Walman, Jake $3,400,000$3,400,000 LD M-NTC UFA - 1	Seider, Moritz $9,530,000$9,530,000 RD RFA	Cossa, Sebastian $863,333$863,333 ($850,000$850K) G RFA - 1
Edvinsson, Simon $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) LD RFA - 1	Sandin Pellikka, Axel $925,000$925,000 RD RFA - 2	Husso, Ville $3,600,000$3,600,000 G UFA
Wallinder, William $925,000$925,000 LD RFA - 1	Johansson, Albert $1,000,000$1,000,000 LD RFA
Chiarot, Ben $4,750,000$4,750,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 1	Holl, Justin $3,400,000$3,400,000 RD M-NTC UFA - 1

Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.

Herb_Brooks

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still unnecessary to spend over 18m on middle 6 and bottom pairing players

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.

Hat_Trick_Swayze

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

still unnecessary to spend over 18m on middle 6 and bottom pairing players

Meh, they can afford it. Raises the teams floor so the kids don't come in to an absolute ****show.

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:40 p.m.

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

still unnecessary to spend over 18m on middle 6 and bottom pairing players

Gotta fill out the roster might as well do it with useful players. No way Seider is getting that money. You're pretty high on Danielson if you think he's your second line center in a couple seasons.

Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:42 p.m.

Hat_Trick_Swayze

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

Gotta fill out the roster might as well do it with useful players. No way Seider is getting that money. You're pretty high on Danielson if you think he's your second line center in a couple seasons.

I can absolutely see him getting 9.5 and yeah I've been high on Danielson for a while. I'm very hopeful but I get Kopitar vibes.

Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:43 p.m.

Herb_Brooks

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

Gotta fill out the roster might as well do it with useful players. No way Seider is getting that money. You're pretty high on Danielson if you think he's your second line center in a couple seasons.

yeah but there are more useful, holl isnt as bad as hes been made out to be but 3.4 is still a big overpay, and seider will get a fox/mcavoy/makar contract so this isnt far off it at all

Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:44 p.m.

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

yeah but there are more useful, holl isnt as bad as hes been made out to be but 3.4 is still a big overpay, and seider will get a fox/mcavoy/makar contract so this isnt far off it at all

I think Seider will get 7.5 max unless he turns into a 50-60 point consistent dman. I actually liked the Holl signing. Watched a lot of Leaf games he's not that bad

Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:49 p.m.

Herb_Brooks

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

I think Seider will get 7.5 max unless he turns into a 50-60 point consistent dman. I actually liked the Holl signing. Watched a lot of Leaf games he's not that bad

esepcailly with the cap going up 7.5 is very wishful thinking. would be shocked if it didnt start with a 9

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:51 p.m.

mmccRed198913

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Quoting: Herb_Brooks

esepcailly with the cap going up 7.5 is very wishful thinking. would be shocked if it didnt start with a 9

I think there's already a contract and will be announced before the season. It will say a lot when Yzerman is only willing to give 6 plus years to Larkin or Seider

Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:53 p.m.

JoeROFLCOPTER

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

I think Seider will get 7.5 max unless he turns into a 50-60 point consistent dman. I actually liked the Holl signing. Watched a lot of Leaf games he's not that bad

7.5 max, huh.
7.5x3 maybe, and then he leaves our ass right away so he can get paid what he's worth.

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:56 p.m.

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

7.5 max, huh.
7.5x3 maybe, and then he leaves our ass right away so he can get paid what he's worth.

Remember when Larkin was supposed to get 9? How about Cat getting 9.5? Zero chance. Seider will sign 7.5/7

Jul. 13, 2023 at 3:57 p.m.

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

Remember when Larkin was supposed to get 9? How about Cat getting 9.5? Zero chance. Seider will sign 7.5/7

8.7 is so far off from 9.
DeBrincat sure, whatever.
You're not gonna be able to lock this guy up for 8 years @ 7.5M.
Everyone knows the cap is gonna rise lol. Yzerma should not risk putting a #1 D-Man at 22 on a bridge.

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:02 p.m.

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

8.7 is so far off from 9.
DeBrincat sure, whatever.
You're not gonna be able to lock this guy up for 8 years 7.5M.
Everyone knows the cap is gonna rise lol. Yzerma should not risk putting a #1 D-Man at 22 on a bridge.

7 years is not a bridge. He'll get it done. I love Seider he's going to be a Wing for life

Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:06 p.m.

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

7 years is not a bridge. He'll get it done. I love Seider he's going to be a Wing for life

Not at $7.5m he won't. Most teams- at least the smart ones- sign max deals with their franchise RFAs to lock them into a quality cap hit for their prime. Yzerman tries doing a mid-level deal (DeBrincat) on Seider and you'll be stuck either losing him in UFA or paying a massive price difference. Players and their agents aren't ignorant.

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:07 p.m.

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Quoting: mmccRed198913

7 years is not a bridge. He'll get it done. I love Seider he's going to be a Wing for life

7.5M gets you a bridge contract Seider lol. Even if he's not worth 9M, you take the bet that he will be in a few years and get him for 8.

Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:08 p.m.

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Holl, Chiarot, Copp…a few guys are a bit overpaid, but the roster has little dead weight overall and not overextended on term. Their cap situation appears good to me.

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Jul. 13, 2023 at 4:23 p.m.

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Anyone who was concerned about these contracts is just looking at them in a vaccum and doesn't understand how roster management actually works. They have all of the same played out arguments whenever some non-superstar is signed to a contract a bit out of their respective price range.

As you said, these contracts will either fall off or be a non-issue when the time to contend arrives (if it ever arrives).

Stevie gets a B+/A- from me this offseason, and it's only July.

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