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Hockey Purist Nightmare

Team: 2023-24 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: May 21, 2023
Published: May 22, 2023
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TL;DR at the bottom if you're just here for a quick look.

What else to piss off a hockey purist's but to have your top line being all American players. With all the hate that the conference finals are getting for being all southern teams, this would get all the 35+ year old Toronto fans furious having 2 Arizonians on the top line, with a 3rd American to round it out (also, with robo being from California, that makes half of the top 6 forwards from the southern US).

Moving to the actual team, the main difference maker is really how much Kane and O'Reilly are offered in FA. I personally believe that Kane can land up to 7 mil and O'Reilly 6.5 mil. If these players both are looking for largest offer, we might have to just offer Kane the asking price and find a new 3C under 5 mil, but if they both want to a team who has a chance to win and are willing to take the pay cuts, landing both is game changing. Kane-Matthews will be nasty, and O'Reilly as a 3C is an incredible luxury.

Another big move is the Nylander for Weeger deal. With a change to the core 4 being all but inevitable, I think Nylander is both the easiest to move due to his slightly smaller contract (comparatively), and is likely the most expendable after his playoff performance (it sounds harsh, but it's the best word to describe it). Kane will replace his offensive production, and his lack of defensive contributions.

The Leafs defense wasn't the problem this year, but that doesn't mean it didn't have any soft spots, with Brodie playing some of his best and worst games these playoff, and generally just being very polarizing for the worst, I lost faith in him being that solid, consistent presence from the blue line, and we shouldn't be paying him 5 mil if he can't be that guy. Sure, he wasn't the worst defenseman we had, he had some great games, but if I had to choose between him and Weeger in the top 4, Brods isn't winning my vote.

The final points to mention is depth concerns and goalies. Starting with the former, the bottom D pair is... pliable(?), depending on how much of a pay cut the the forwards take, it changes the bottom pair a bit. I was looking at Ferraro for prospects (Voit or Hirvonen+), but without drastic pay cuts, I couldn't get the money to work, so I went with adding a bit more to the Murray dump to land Moser as the return instead of a pick, this way, if Gio has another season in him, whichever of Moser or Timmins can play right side, and if Gio falls to 7th D, Moser-Timmins could work too. Forward depth is really just trying to give both lines some identity. The 4th line is defensively reliable, with Jarnkrok being able to jump around the lineup if necessary, and the 3rd line is a sandpaper line, with guys like McMann and Acciari being physical forecheckers that are massive annoyances for opposing defenses, whittling them down throughout the game.

Goalies are pretty simple. I want a full season with Woll backing up, and dumping Murray for a Sammy extension 4x4 feels like a natural move. Best case, Woll plays 1b caliber all season and Sammy continues to look like a starter. Worst case (barring injury), Woll isn't ready for the NHL (which is unlikely with what he's shown) and Sammy regresses (which is a bit more possible, but I wouldn't bet on it).

TL;DR, Nylander and Brodie moved for Weeger and Kane, O'Reilly and Kane join if they want win and are ok not taking largest offer available, Forward depth has identity, defensive depth is a game of f*** around and find out, and goalies just need to play at a .900+ and they're fine.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$900,000
4$4,000,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$5,250,000
3$6,750,000
2$1,750,000
1$1,500,000
2$900,000
1$1,500,000
Trades
1.
TOR
  1. Johnson, Ryan [Reserve List]
  2. 2023 2nd round pick (BUF)
2.
TOR
  1. Weegar, MacKenzie
  2. 2024 4th round pick (CGY)
3.
ARI
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. 2023 1st round pick (BOS)
  3. 2024 4th round pick (TOR)
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2023
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2024
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2025
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
23$83,500,000$82,530,751$0$0$969,249
Left WingCentreRight Wing
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$925,000$925,000
LW, RW
RFA - 2
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$11,640,250$11,640,250
C
NMC
UFA - 1
$6,750,000$6,750,000
RW
UFA - 1
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$796,667$796,667
LW, RW
RFA - 1
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$11,000,000$11,000,000
C, LW
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$10,903,000$10,903,000
RW
NMC
UFA - 2
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$762,500$762,500
RW, LW
UFA - 1
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$5,250,000$5,250,000
C
UFA - 4
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$1,750,000$1,750,000
C, RW
UFA - 3
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$2,100,000$2,100,000
RW, C, LW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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$900,000$900,000
C, LW
RFA - 2
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$1,150,000$1,150,000
RW, C, LW
UFA - 1
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
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$2,000,000$2,000,000
LD/RD
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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$6,250,000$6,250,000
LD/RD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$4,000,000$4,000,000
G
UFA - 1
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$7,500,000$7,500,000
LD
NMC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$1,400,000$1,400,000
RD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$766,667$766,667
G
UFA - 2
Logo of the Arizona Coyotes
$886,667$886,667
LD/RD
RFA - 1
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$1,100,000$1,100,000
RD
RFA - 2
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
LW, C, RW
UFA - 2
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$800,000$800,000
LD
UFA - 1
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$5,625,000$5,625,000
LD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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$1,500,000$1,500,000
RD
UFA - 3
Logo of the Toronto Maple Leafs
$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1

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May 22, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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GO FLAMES GO
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I'd rather have Weegar
May 22, 2023 at 1:45 p.m.
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Absolutely no reason for the sabres to do that
May 22, 2023 at 2:24 p.m.
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Absolutely no reason for the sabres to do that


Huh? It's a RD for a 2nd and a guy with one foot out the door?
May 22, 2023 at 2:29 p.m.
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Huh? It's a RD for a 2nd and a guy with one foot out the door?


It's a 32 year old lhd that offers very little for the sabres, except for eating 5 mil of cap space, for a player who, at the very least, nets the sabres a second round pick and another second on top of that.
May 22, 2023 at 2:30 p.m.
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It's a 32 year old lhd that offers very little for the sabres, except for eating 5 mil of cap space, for a player who, at the very least, nets the sabres a second round pick and another second on top of that.


He's a good top 4 d-man though? A better option than like 95% of the FA available.
May 22, 2023 at 2:31 p.m.
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He's a good top 4 d-man though? A better option than like 95% of the FA available.


Is he really though?
May 22, 2023 at 2:33 p.m.
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Is he really though?


yes

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May 22, 2023 at 2:43 p.m.
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Quoting: wojme
It's a 32 year old lhd that offers very little for the sabres, except for eating 5 mil of cap space, for a player who, at the very least, nets the sabres a second round pick and another second on top of that.


You don't need to worry about the cap hit until next year, where I doubt he makes over 4.5, probably being in the 3.5 range. He'd be a good middle pairing guy to put with Power, assisting in developing his offense. You aren't finding that in FA and as mentioned by someone else, Johnson is irrelevant to you. I get if you want to scale the pick down, but Brodie is worth more than an NHL unlikely and a 4th, 5 mil or not. Also, Johnson is not landing a 2nd unless a team has way more faith in him than they should and an excess of draft picks. I also understand if you want to run Lyubushkin on the 2nd pair this year, Leafs had him and I'm still disappointed we didn't extend him at that price, but if you have aspirations to be an actual threat of a team this year and more than a wildcard team praying to pull a Florida, I think you'll need a bit more at the blue line, with Brodie being a good short term solution until the young guys are all ready.
May 22, 2023 at 2:53 p.m.
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You don't need to worry about the cap hit until next year, where I doubt he makes over 4.5, probably being in the 3.5 range. He'd be a good middle pairing guy to put with Power, assisting in developing his offense. You aren't finding that in FA and as mentioned by someone else, Johnson is irrelevant to you. I get if you want to scale the pick down, but Brodie is worth more than an NHL unlikely and a 4th, 5 mil or not. Also, Johnson is not landing a 2nd unless a team has way more faith in him than they should and an excess of draft picks. I also understand if you want to run Lyubushkin on the 2nd pair this year, Leafs had him and I'm still disappointed we didn't extend him at that price, but if you have aspirations to be an actual threat of a team this year and more than a wildcard team praying to pull a Florida, I think you'll need a bit more at the blue line, with Brodie being a good short term solution until the young guys are all ready.


If he's only worth 3.5 in UFA money why is him at 5 mill worth a 2nd and a recent 1st round pick
May 22, 2023 at 3:02 p.m.
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Edited May 22, 2023 at 3:08 p.m.
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If he's only worth 3.5 in UFA money why is him at 5 mill worth a 2nd and a recent 1st round pick


his extention will take into account his age, and I'd be lying if I said he wasn't better when he got that contract. It doesn't mean he's grossly overpaid, 5 mil is fine, I just needed it off the books to fit Weeger and Kane, and again, you don't need to worry about contracts that aren't on the the books when Dahlin/Power's contracts are being negotiated

And Johnson is not at the value of a 1st whether he was drafted in the 1st or the 7th, he's lucky to sniff the NHL and will likely only get a Sabres Jersey to wear for preseason games. If he was an NHL caliber player you probably wouldn't have Stillman getting icetime over him. He is valued as a glorified 2 and best and an early 4th at worst, probably being most like an early 3rd, regardless of his draft position
May 22, 2023 at 3:36 p.m.
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It's hard to understand Brodie's value, but I think he's a decent defender and good defensively. Maybe
May 22, 2023 at 6:09 p.m.
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I’d give you a 2nd for Brodie but not 2 2nds.

After all we’d be doing you a solid by eating 5mil cap
May 22, 2023 at 7:05 p.m.
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I’d rather pay Mayfield $5 million in free agency than trade assets for Brodie.
May 22, 2023 at 9:04 p.m.
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Brodie at $7.5M in cash will make him a non-starter. If his contract had been front loaded instead of back loaded in terms of paycheck then maybe he'd be worth a 2nd or 3rd, but not two as mentioned above. LHD does not help his odds overall.
 
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