Gorton moves based on early NYR tenure

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Created by: ricochetii

Team: 2021-22 Montreal Canadiens

Initial Creation Date: Dec. 10, 2021

Published: Dec. 13, 2021

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These are some of the earlier moves in Gorton's NYR tenure. Just a snapshot of some types of trades. Exact value exchanged and teams/players involved can be adjusted. I think we can look forward to some more "meaty" movements, instead of tinkering on the fringes of the roster and unreasonable dollars invested in depth over top end talent.

1. Etem for Jensen (+ a 6th)
A swap of 1st rounders. They were later in the round picks that never really worked out, but I could see him taking a similar swing with more promising players. The LA trade is just one such example.

2. 4th for Nick Holden
Spending low picks on players cherry picked from other prospect pools, is something you just don't see enough of. Montreal has been sitting on poor RHD depth, and there are definitely RHD out there. Puutio is a 5th round pick who should at least be good enough for the AHL and go from there.

3. Brassard (+7th) for Zibanejad (+2nd)
More established player for an up-and-comer. Dube likely doesn't surpass Toffoli, but this is just an example.

4. Brendan Smith for 2nd + 3rd
Grabbing an available D man with some experience and good years left, as opposed to picking D men in the draft that are a few years out.

5. DeAngelo (+ 1st) for Stepan and Raanta
Simply selling off players for a decent return. Again, an example of a type of trade. Obviously there would need to be some cap juggling if Drouin and Allen were traded to Pittsburgh. There may also be similar trades that make sense with other teams.

Trades

MTL

Vilardi, Gabriel

LAK

Caufield, Cole

MTL

Puutio, Kasper [Reserve List]

FLA

2022 4th round pick (TBL)

MTL

Dubé, Dillon
2022 2nd round pick (CGY)

CGY

Toffoli, Tyler
2022 7th round pick (STL)

MTL

Dunn, Vince

SEA

2022 2nd round pick (MTL)
2022 3rd round pick (ANA)

MTL

Joseph, Pierre-Olivier
2022 1st round pick (PIT)

PIT

MTL

UFA's sold off this year.

ARI

Buyouts

Karl Alzner: $1,958,333

Draft	Round 1	Round 2	Round 3	Round 4	Round 5	Round 6	Round 7
2022
2023
2024

ROSTER

LONG-TERM OUTLOOK

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ROSTER SIZE	SALARY CAP	CAP HIT	OVERAGES	BONUSES	CAP SPACE
26	$81,500,000	$65,381,727	$597,561	$2,237,500	$16,118,273

Left Wing	Centre	Right Wing
Hoffman, Mike $4,500,000$4,500,000 LW UFA - 3	Suzuki, Nick $863,333$863,333 ($537,500$538K) C UFA - 1	Gallagher, Brendan $6,500,000$6,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC, NMC UFA - 6
Dubé, Dillon $2,300,000$2,300,000 LW, RW, C RFA - 3	Dvorak, Christian $4,450,000$4,450,000 C UFA - 4	Anderson, Josh $5,500,000$5,500,000 RW, LW M-NTC UFA - 6
Poehling, Ryan $750,000$750,000 C, LW UFA - 2	Vilardi, Gabriel $894,167$894,167 ($850,000$850K) RW, C RFA - 1	Ylönen, Jesse $880,833$880,833 RW, LW RFA - 2
	Evans, Jake $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1	Armia, Joel $3,400,000$3,400,000 RW, LW UFA - 4
Lehkonen, Artturi $1,150,000$1,150,000 LW, RW UFA - 1	Dauphin, Laurent $750,000$750,000 C UFA - 1	Byron, Paul $3,400,000$3,400,000 LW, RW UFA - 2
Pezzetta, Michael $750,000$750,000 LW, RW UFA - 1

Left Defense	Right Defense	Goaltender
Edmundson, Joel $875,000$875,000 LD/RD M-NTC UFA - 3	Petry, Jeff $2,343,750$2,343,750 RD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 4	Price, Carey $10,500,000$10,500,000 G NMC UFA - 5
Romanov, Alexander $894,167$894,167 ($637,500$638K) LD RFA - 1	Dunn, Vince $4,000,000$4,000,000 LD/RD UFA - 2
Clague, Kale $761,250$761,250 LD/RD RFA - 1	Savard, David $3,500,000$3,500,000 RD UFA - 4	Montembeault, Samuel $750,000$750,000 G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier $863,333$863,333 ($212,500$212K) LD RFA - 1	Niku, Sami $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1
Schueneman, Corey $750,000$750,000 LD/RD UFA - 1

Scratches	Injured Reserve (IR)	Long Term IR (LTIR)
		Weber, Shea $7,857,143$7,857,143 RD UFA - 5

Dec. 13, 2021 at 2:02 a.m.

Wqrrior

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I like the LA trade for both sides.

Don't see any incentive there for Seattle tho. Pittsburgh doesnt seem like they're gonna be trading picks any more.

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Dec. 13, 2021 at 2:39 a.m.

ricochetii

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Quoting: Wqrrior

I like the LA trade for both sides.

Don't see any incentive there for Seattle tho. Pittsburgh doesnt seem like they're gonna be trading picks any more.

Any alternative ideas?
Trying to keep close to the original trades, but it might take something else for Seattle to replace one of the picks.
I understand Pittsburgh maybe not trading picks, but this could be their last hurrah with Malkin and Letang. Again though, this is just one example.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 3:21 a.m.

Wqrrior

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Quoting: ricochetii

Dunn is their highest upside defenseman. Last year many mock trades were north of a first, and that was when STL was rumored to be selling him. His value is higher now IMO. First + Romanov or First + Norlinder is likely their ask. Maybe they'll do a different D spec if a 2nd is added.

I don't see a deal with PIT unless its for Zucker 1 for 1.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 8:05 a.m.

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Quoting: Wqrrior

I like the LA trade for both sides.

I know you're not the biggest Caufield fan on earth, but most MTL fans wouldn't do the deal.

Vilardi is too much of a question mark given his head-injury issues. Caufield looks like the real deal, he's flying on the ice and is always in a shooting good spot (but the system prefers Petry's weak point shots over having a lethal shooter constantly on the PP). He's just given worse opportunities to succeed than 26 year-olds AHL call-ups for some reason.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 9:45 a.m.

ricochetii

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Quoting: Wqrrior

Perhaps Dunn is the wrong target then. The 2nd and 3rd will be early in their respective rounds, but point taken.

Zucker just doesn't work. That's a completely different trade from the example. Has to be a pick and prospect at least.

Quoting: SevenLeg

While I can agree, there may be a trade out there to move Caufield for a similarly valued Center. Doesn't have to be Vilardi.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 10:03 a.m.

PuckLuck_77

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Quoting: SevenLeg

Kings fan chiming in here really quick, value of the trade put aside.

I'm not sure where this misinformation is coming from, since you're the second person I've had to correct. Post-draft, Gabe Vilardi has not had any head injury or concussion issues that I can recall.

Everything he has missed time for since becoming an LA King in 2017 has been related to a back injury. It is not chronic, nor prone to re-injury like a concussion, and he has since recovered fully from it.

It would be like saying that a team wouldn't want to trade for Toffoli after his surgery on his hand because they were worried about concussion issues.

Just an FYI.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 10:16 a.m.

SevenLeg

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Quoting: PuckLuck_77

You have to remember US West Coast are hardly covered here in Eastern Canada. So that's my bad.

It doesn't change my perception on the trade though. I wouldn't trade Caufield for Vilardi.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 10:21 a.m.

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Quoting: SevenLeg

You have to remember US West Coast are hardly covered here in Eastern Canada. So that's my bad.

It doesn't change my perception on the trade though. I wouldn't trade Caufield for Vilardi.

Ha. It's hard to forget that the West coast isn't covered all that much in places east of Vegas.....

And no worries, I was just trying to inform, not sound indignant

That's why I said value of the trade aside (I think there'd have to be something more going to MTL, not sure what though)

Edit: East of Vegas. And other grammatical errors. I need my morning caffeine.

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Dec. 13, 2021 at 12:07 p.m.

brgh4life

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Any trade with Pittsburgh has to be dollar for dollar.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 12:10 p.m.

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ricochetii

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Quoting: brgh4life

Any trade with Pittsburgh has to be dollar for dollar.

Yes. They may have to make another move and/or Montreal may need to retain. I'm just trying to approximate pieces exchanged.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 12:17 p.m.

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Quoting: ricochetii

Yes. They may have to make another move and/or Montreal may need to retain. I'm just trying to approximate pieces exchanged.

Well Hextall has already said his top prospects and picks are off limits unless it is for young cost controlled players, so I just don't see this as a logical fit for Pittsburgh.

Dec. 13, 2021 at 1:10 p.m.

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Quoting: brgh4life

Well Hextall has already said his top prospects and picks are off limits unless it is for young cost controlled players, so I just don't see this as a logical fit for Pittsburgh.

My reasoning was that this is Pittsburgh's last run with some of their players. Do you really hold back this year, or do you go all in one last time?

Dec. 13, 2021 at 1:50 p.m.

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brgh4life

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My reasoning was that this is Pittsburgh's last run with some of their players. Do you really hold back this year, or do you go all in one last time?

Yah, you do, but Drouin isn't an "all in" type of player. He has 13 goals over the last 3 seasons combined. Not worth a 1st rounder.

Mar. 6, 2022 at 7:47 p.m.

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That caufield trade....
Toffoli got more than that...
Man, you set your expectations very low,

Mar. 6, 2022 at 8:05 p.m.

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

That caufield trade....
Toffoli got more than that...
Man, you set your expectations very low,

These are comparables of trades that Gorton actually made in NY. Nothing to do with my expectations, just getting a feel for what kinds of deals the new GM looks at.
The outlook has changed with the addition of Hughes' feedback since then as well.

At least read the description ...

These are some of the earlier moves in Gorton's NYR tenure. Just a snapshot of some types of trades. Exact value exchanged and teams/players involved can be adjusted. I think we can look forward to some more "meaty" movements, instead of tinkering on the fringes of the roster and unreasonable dollars invested in depth over top end talent.

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Mar. 6, 2022 at 8:13 p.m.

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Quoting: ricochetii

What's the comparable of caufield for vilardi?

Mar. 6, 2022 at 8:31 p.m.

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Quoting: DucharmetheDOMinator

What's the comparable of caufield for vilardi?

That's in the description too.

1. Etem for Jensen (+ a 6th)
A swap of 1st rounders. They were later in the round picks that never really worked out, but I could see him taking a similar swing with more promising players. The LA trade is just one such example.

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