1...Avs don’t need kuemper and 2....that’s a massive over payment for a goalie, you will get half that value

Even though the value is fair for the OEL deal, the Bruins decline as they don't have the resources to take on his contract, even with $2.25 retained.

What's Barron's value?

At least you're not Buffalo's Bad so I see this as a win

hes an avs top prospect...teams moving goalies never get top prospects or 1st back, and considering Kuemper is 32 at the time of his contract is up, you arent giving up high assets to goalies to make the trade worth it, extending going into their mid 30s.

Kuemper is more a 2nd and a low-mid prospect, thats just the goalie market in general

avs accept

Difference is that Kuemper is a top8 G. Most available goaltenders on the "goalie market" are usually backups or 1B. There's a certain gap here. If Barron is projected to be a top4 D, it's a bit too much but I would think this is close to what ARI could get if they move Kuemper right now.

Barron is projtected as a Top 4 D talent, he was a recent fist round pick, played at WJC for Canada, lighting it up against in the Q. Hes a smooth skating puck moving Dman, easy top 4 talent.

When you look at all the stats, SV% GAA% GSAx Grubi is better than Kuemper, that is the point of all this. Why are you giving up a 1st and Barron for not even upgrading your goaltending position?
Kuemper is fine but hes not at this elite level he was last year, he is coming down to earth more this season, his numbers arent as strong

Not saying Colorado should do it. It was just about Kuemper's value. Avs should add a 3rd G imo

Its still not as much as you would assume. Goalies never, ever, get good returns. I am not saying he is worthless, far from it, but hes not getting a 1st rounder no matter what. Goalies dont get 1sts back

I think for any Kuemper trade you need to use the Ryan Miller trade as an analog, Miller was actually 2 years older at 33 at the time but he was traded to St. Louis by Buffalo with Steve Ott for Jaroslav Halak, Chris Stewart, William Carrier, St. Louis' 1st round pick. Also Miller was a rental - Kuemper has another year at 4.5 so you're actually getting him for 2 playoff runs not just one. So if Miller fetched a young roster player in Stewart, a decent prospect at the time in Carrier (#57 overall pick) and a 1st... what would Kuemper get? Which is a long way of saying this is appropriate value for him. Also yes the Avs do need another goalie, Grubauer's stat's may look good but he's playing behind a juggernaut and the Avs of all teams should know what Kuemps can do. He's playing behind an absolute dog doo doo roster this year and is still top 6 in xGSVA.

A trade from 2014 does not set the market in 2021, a trade that completly blew up in the blues face and didnt work and probably a reason why teams do not pay up for goalies..especially in season trade for one

Sorry but you aren't even close to being realistic here

varlamov

Again you have 0 comprehension of conversations, those are not the same things....Varly was traded as a 22 year old as an RFA 10 yeras ago during the offesason. That has nothing to do about a soon to be expiring contract 31 year old goal midseason at the trade deadline

I know its tough but try to be relevant in todays Era, and not chime in with trades that are not even part of the conversation, not relatable, and area 2 CBAs ago.

k. you did say never ever.

andersen

again a 26 year old RFA traded 6 years ago...thank you for proving my point of you unable to show compression of a conversation and just chime in on one thing mentioned instead of fully reading and coming up with a well thought out rebuttal

there is a reason why you get ignored

No, they really don't.

k

it's steep but i'd be willing to do it but i think kuemper is the most underrated goalie in the league. i also don't put much value on a 2021 1st since there's not much scouting being done. i like jost but i think he's replaceable. the only real loss to me barron but i'm comfortable enough with the avs defense to sacrifice a prospect.

Exactly. The 1st rounder is essentially a 2nd given the Avs aims. Jost has what 4 points this year on this juggernaut team, could use a bigger role in Arizona. Also with Barron he's a good prospect but is he even one of the Avs top 4? He's behind Newhook, Byram, Timmins, and maybe Beaucage.

behind both newhook and byram for sure. i'd put him behind timmins too but i wouldn't fault anyone for putting him ahead given timmins injury history. i'd put barron ahead of beaucage and bowers and roughly on par, or maybe slightly behind kaut. he's having a very stong year in the q so i'm eager to see how that ends.

Byram & Timmins can't really be considered prospects in the same manner any more, and if we do then most people seem to consider Barron's ceiling higher than Timmins' now, only Byram would be higher as a D prospect if we're still calling him that. Newhook is their top true prospect but Barron is probably not far behind. Likely a top 4 Dman. Jost has been very effective in his role this year, and then there's a first. Whatever you consider it, it's a first. So nope, not a move I'd make and thankfully I don't think it's one Sakic would make either.