Kings don't want to swap offense for defense. They could swap a center for a winger though.

would not be apposed to kravstov being thrown in there

If either Turcotte or Vilardi are included, it's likely going to have to be Kakko coming back. Can't imagine Kravstov would get you Turcotte.

I could see someone like Kupari being swapped for Kravstov though.

rangers decline that. The most you could get form NYR would be Krav maby a second and gauthier/lemieux or somthing like that

In exchange for Kupari+, that would be fine. Turcotte+ or Vilardi+ could be traded for an upgrade, but they're not going to be traded for downgrades.

Does Kravtsov for Turcotte work?

No, unless Kakko or Lafreniere were coming back the other way, I can't see Turcotte being traded to the Rangers.

And this is a pretty big overpay lol we'd decline that.

Look, the reason I asked you this is because while you guys have some good prospects on the wing (namely Kupari and Kaliyev) but you probably lack another one... yet at center you guys have a **** ton of prospects there... Byfield, Turcotte, Madden (I don't consider Vilardi a prospect anymore cause he's a regular)

What I mean is that we both have things the other lacks... you guys lack another W prospect and we lack another center prospect... could a Kravtsov + Henriksson (who's a center) vs Turcotte based swap work? Cause I get not wanting VK for Tucotte 1vs1

I'm not saying that It would be Turcotte for Kakko 1-for1 either. The likely path for Turcotte right now is to move him to LW since Byfield, Vilardi, and Kopitar are going to be the centers for the foreseeable future. The Kings could be convinced to trade Turcotte if there's an upgraded winger option available, but if the choice is to play Turcotte on the wing, or downgrade to Kravstov to play on the wing, the Kings will stick with Turcotte.

Also, Kupari is a center, not a winger. He has played some wing before, but he's a natural center, and is currently playing C in the AHL, where he was leading the league in points before being called up to the taxi squad. The Kings could also move him to wing, but just like in Turcotte's case, that's not ideal.

I would argue that the value gap between Kakko and Turcotte is smaller than the gap between Turcotte and Kravstov.

That last line isn't very accurate. Kakko has 40+ goal potential. He's got the potential to be a major contributing factor where as Kravstov will be more of a 2nd line guy... between these two potentials I believe Turcotte is a bit closer to VK than to KK

If you don't want to do this tho I could understand, I was just entertaining that possibility

More like Lundqvist+++ but Turcotte is off limits. Schneider isn't a significant upgrade over Grans or Faber.

I would agree with that first line if Kakko didn't have have a disappointing season + a disapointing start to this season. I don't think Kakko has an edge over Turcotte anymore. His value has dropped slightly IMO.

That's called being coached by David Quinn

David Quinn is literally Jeff Blashill. AWFUL at developing prospects.

kakko has been our second best forward basically behind chytil. Kakkos points aren't there right now but his expected goals for is better than jack huges

It's not entirely his fault. He was rushed into the NHL just like almost all top notch Rangers prospects are. No offense, but I think Rangers have the worst player development in the league.

I hope the best for Kakko, but I don't feel comfortable giving up assets for him at this time.

last year kakko was just flat out bad like jack hughes i dont think its fair to blame quinn on that. Even though i questioned the lines a lot i dont think kakko would have been more successful anywhere else.

I'll put it straight: John Davidson (our President of Hockey Ops) needs to fire Gorton and Quinn during the 2021 offseason. They're ruining the NYR

Also Quinn doesn't put Kakko in a place to succeed, and Kakko isn't a game changer yet, what do you want him to do?

Hughes isn't a goal scorer and he has 11 points in 14 games. Kakko has 3 in 14. Pretty sure Hughes has more goals than Kakko has point.

I don't get your logic.

hes been playing with panarin and strome the past 5 games and played very well

How is playing with Panarin and Strome not a chance to succeed?

expected goals for compared to actual goals for are two different things

This isn't all. First of all it's only been a few game and second of all before that he played in a DEFENSIVE line for heaven's sake

also kakko is better defensively than hughes

Fair enough, but most lottery picks are forced to play on bad teams and a lot of times with bad players and most still succeed which is why they were drafted so high. Good players should be able to play with anyone and at the very least, have better production than Kakko who on paper is absolutely terrible.

i mean some players just develop slower example is leon in EDM