who do the avs have to replace him?

22 year old Adam Werner who played two games for the Avs this season and looked pretty good or if this trade is made at the draft they could sign a UFA like Greiss, Halak or Khudobin.

Why exactly would the Leafs trade their starting goalie? And why for that package - Freddie has been nothing short of consistently good for 4 seasons - no idea why they'd trade 2 mid six forwards on reasonable contracts and a starting goalie for 1 mid six F and a back up goalie who had 1 good year playing behind a very very good D and F core

Sakic just signed Francouz to a 2 year extension. He isn't going to immediately trade him away to reacquire a 3C that we don't need

Bracco has like no value.

Leafs are not going to be able to afford Freddie in a years time, I thought why not get ahead of that now. Francouz is very underrated and cheap so I figured he would be a good replacement. As for the return on Andersen, goalies never get great return especially this year with all the high end UFAs ie Lehner, Holtby and Markstrom. In regard, to the 1 mid six forward, Mangiapane is much more than that. He's very fast and skilled and could easily become a top 6 forward at only 24 years old. Mangiapane scored 17 goals all at even strength this year averaging only 13 minutes a game.

That's a next year problem not a this year problem, and there are several ways the Leafs can afford Freddie - for starters don't give him more than 7 x 5

What if the trades got changed to:
Andersen, Kerfoot --> Mangiapane, Jankowski, 2nd. Since Calgary needs a 3rd line center after Monahan and Backlund.
Johnsson,3rd --> Francouz. Johnsson use to look good with Kadri and Sakic could look to get those two together again.

Why would Andersen accept that? It's his last chance to get paid since he will already be on the wrong side of 30.

Still no reason to give him away, if there's a team foolish enough out there to pay more then they can have him, things haven't worked out real well for teams with a starting goalie paid over 7 per

Johnsson's contract is fair and lines up well with Mackinnon's new deal in 2023. Avs could also do with a scoring LW on the 2nd line. That said, there are concerns with his injury situation, and Colorado probably prefers to target someone with higher than Johnsson's 0.5ppg output for that top 6 forward role.

As for Francouz, Sakic just signed him to a very team-friendly 2 year deal and isn't going to move him. Since coming over from the KHL Francouz has twice passed over UFA in order to sign for 1 year and then 2 years in Colorado, and he seems to like Denver a lot.

hahahah hard pass

The value is probably fair, or even favouring Colorado slightly. However, having a good backup/1B goalie signed to $2m for the next two seasons makes Francouz more valuable than a trade would be worth for Toronto. Francouz's term also lines up nicely with Werner and Annunen's development timeline, so it's a perfect situation for Colorado and you'd have to pay to change that.

That said, if you make it Johnsson + 2nd it might start to become to hard to decline.

Lol. You must not watch the right Leafs if that's what you think. Not saying they should trade him for this package, but to say he's been consistent is completely false. When he's on, he's good and he obviously bails the team out. But when he's not on he's not that good and he has spurts of that quite frequently. In fact he went through a 2 month stretch this season (from December to end of January ish I believe) where he had a save percentage of like .880% or something like that. That's not consistently good.

I've mentioned after last years playoffs that they shoulda explored trading him because in all likelihood he won't be around after his contract expires. Age, contract value, and team cap issues will play the biggest part in that. Unless he takes a deal for 4 or less years and under $6.5-7M the Leafs really can't afford him without moving a bigger, younger piece and that's if the cap even increases much at all. I don't think this would be the type of package they would get. They could get a better one. But I don't think Francouz would be an ideal starter for a team that plays such a run and gun offensive style. Likely it would be a deal to get prospects and picks back in the system, or to help them get a younger goalie that will be expendable. Matt Murray might be the type of guy that would fit and be expendable

I haven't missed a game in a decade bud, Freddie has consistently been ok through October, been good to great from November to March - sees the most rubber and minutes in the league - I couldn't blame him for a handful of stinker games when that high-powered offence no defense team consistently leaves Freddie high and dry - there is no better option out there - as for next contract Freddie has 0 vezina's , 0 playoff round wins - he really can't ask for much more than 7 x 5. Other comparables such as Price, Bob's, Hank have all won something significant - Freddie has not so unless he wins the Vezina or steals a couple playoff series next season he won't be getting an offer over 7 x 5

Again, for a 2 month stretch this season from December to the end of Janaury, he had close to a .880sv%... do you consider that good or something bud?

No I don't, but that's a 2 month stretch out of 4 seasons and during that 2 month stretch the Leafs were icing an AHL D core

So who's this goalie that does better? Seriously who is he? Gibson maybe but your not prying him out of Anaheim, Markstrom nope, Francouz no chance he plays better

Also if he's so bad in what world can the Leafs not afford him

As I said earlier (guess you can't read).. Matt Murray is going to be expendable. Him or Tristan Jarry will likely be moved this summer from Pittsburgh. Murray has the experience of winning 2 cups and is younger. He'd be a good target

Matt Murray
Age 25
Last season .899 Save %
Career .914 Save %
2.67 GA
Played on arguably the best team in the league over that period.

Freddie
Age 30
Last season .909 Save %
Career .917 Save %
2.63 GA
Played on a re building team that was straight terrible

Murray 2 - cups and 25 yrs old = 8-9 million per (he can be in the same conversation as a Vasilesky, Price, Bob,Hank)

Freddie 0 cups , 0 Vezina - impressive W column
He gets 6.5 x 8 or 7.5 x 5

I'll take Freddie

K the calgary trade is the right idea just the wrong player from us. My original idea was mangiapane and jankowski for kapenan. Kapenan has been linked with calgary for a while and mangiapane and jankowski would fit well in toronto. Anderson has a nmc so he aint going anywhere till we let him go as a ufa. Therefore making the colorado trade void

If i was u I would change the johnsson trade to a third from any team but with a condition it becomes a 2nd if johnsson scores 20 goals. As for kerfoot trade him and dermott for weegar and a 3rd (colorado). Leafs get good pieces and so do the other teams.

Think of what you'd be paying for. Murray at 25 you're paying for his prime years, also wouldn't cost $8-9M when he struggled this year (but more than capable of bouncing back with his history) and Andersen you're paying for his 30+ years in which he'll likely decline. Not smart to commit to an older goaltender when you rely on him so much

I find Murray quite overrated, as you just said struggled this year when the Pens needed him most, I don't see Murray bouncing back on the leafs when they leave him out to dry which they absolutely will, keep Freddie (there is no real danger of some other team offering Freddie a ridiculous contract) draft or trade for a 18-21 yr old successor - Freddie will hold up just fine over the next 4/5 seasons. If Murray can be had for the same contract or AAV as Freddie then maybe I go for it - but any team interested in Freddie would also be interested in Murray