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Created by: Leafs1793
Team: 2016-17 Toronto Maple Leafs
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 8, 2016
Published: Jun. 8, 2016
Salary Cap Mode: Basic
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
2$950,000
5$4,750,000
2$950,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
Matthews, Auston
3$3,775,000
7$10,000,000
Trades
1.
TOR
    Rights to Trouba
    2.
    TBL
    1. Bernier, Jonathan
    2. Kadri, Nazem
    Additional Details:
    2017 2nd round pick
    3.
    TOR
      2018 3rd round pick
      2017 5th round pick
      ARI
      1. Bozak, Tyler
      Additional Details:
      Rights to Marincin
      Buyouts
      Retained Salary Transactions
      Buried
      ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
      22$73,000,000$73,152,833$512,000$2,185,000-$152,833
      Left WingCentreRight Wing
      $2,950,000$2,950,000
      RW, LW, C
      UFA - 2
      $10,000,000$10,000,000
      LW, C
      UFA - 8
      $894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      RW
      UFA - 3
      $4,250,000$4,250,000
      LW, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 2
      Matthews, Auston
      $3,775,000$3,775,000
      $736,666$736,666 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
      RW
      UFA - 2
      $950,000$950,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 2
      $900,000$900,000
      RW, LW
      UFA - 1
      $686,667$686,667 (Performance Bonus$182,500$182K)
      RW, LW
      UFA - 1
      $2,650,000$2,650,000
      LW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
      $4,500,000$4,500,000
      C, LW
      UFA - 1
      $4,000,000$4,000,000
      LW, RW
      M-NTC
      UFA - 1
      $575,000$575,000
      C
      UFA - 1
      Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
      $5,000,000$5,000,000
      LD
      UFA - 6
      $4,750,000$4,750,000
      RD
      UFA - 2
      $4,760,000$4,760,000
      G
      M-NTC, NMC
      UFA - 1
      $4,050,000$4,050,000
      LD
      UFA - 3
      $925,000$925,000 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
      RD
      UFA - 1
      $655,000$655,000 (Performance Bonus$120,000$120K)
      G
      UFA - 1
      $950,000$950,000
      RD
      UFA - 2
      $1,200,000$1,200,000
      LD
      UFA - 1
      $4,600,000$4,600,000
      LD
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
      $5,300,000$5,300,000
      RW
      NMC
      UFA - 4

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      Jun. 8, 2016 at 2:46 p.m.
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      Give it a few minutes and you'll get roasted on here for:
      a) Trading nylander away; and
      b) Thinking the leafs would move Kadri after re-upping him

      I personally like the deals you've suggested and am confident Lou won't hesitate to move anyone if it improves the team for the long term and I think there's room for the leafs to move out depth at forward (be it vets, young roster players or top prospects) to obtain like kind in defense.
      Jun. 8, 2016 at 3:26 p.m.
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      leafs1967again
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      Quoting: Juice
      Give it a few minutes and you'll get roasted on here for:
      a) Trading nylander away; and
      b) Thinking the leafs would move Kadri after re-upping him

      I personally like the deals you've suggested and am confident Lou won't hesitate to move anyone if it improves the team for the long term and I think there's room for the leafs to move out depth at forward (be it vets, young roster players or top prospects) to obtain like kind in defense.


      I think the biggest road block is a team trading for Kadri with that contract. Not suggesting it is a bad deal but he is still a bit of an unknown....
      Jun. 8, 2016 at 3:29 p.m.
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      LongtimeLeafsufferer
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      Potential goal scoring centres (Nylander) are worth more than Trouba.... In ten years, I might think differently. Bishop would help for one year then he's a UFA like Bernier. Rebuilding Leafs really don't need Garrison with Rielly and Gardiner on the LD. Arizona has lots of centres, can't see then giving up draft choices for 30 year old Bozak.
      Jun. 8, 2016 at 4:14 p.m.
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      Quoting: palhal
      Potential goal scoring centres (Nylander) are worth more than Trouba.... In ten years, I might think differently. Bishop would help for one year then he's a UFA like Bernier. Rebuilding Leafs really don't need Garrison with Rielly and Gardiner on the LD. Arizona has lots of centres, can't see then giving up draft choices for 30 year old Bozak.


      Palhal....I've seen tons of comments from you on this site about how GM's won't want to give up many assets for only 1 year of this guy or 2 years of that guy...I really don't think that factors in as much as you think. If you have an idea for how much the player is looking to re-sign for and are willing to make an offer in that ballpark, you make the deal. Going after a guy like Bishop would be with the assumption that you're willing to pay him big bucks long term. You've made similar comments with JVR and how he's only got 2yrs left...that's an eternity in the NHL world.

      And I think the idea of acquiring Garrison was more for salary dump purposes on Tampa's part to make the deal more attractive for them. There are probably 10-12 teams that would give a 3rd rounder for Bozak so you can swap Zona out for pretty much any other team....and Trouba is a 22yr old defenceman with a high ceiling...you have to give to get. That's fine if you prefer Nylander to him but the offer is fair.
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      Jun. 8, 2016 at 8:06 p.m.
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      From a leafs pov i think these trades are extremely generous. Lou wants a 2nd for bozak and they originally traded a 4th for marincin. Considering how much marincin improved his game since then accepting a 3rd and a 5th doesnt make sense. Should be a 2nd and a 3rd IMO. Regarding the tampa trade, if garrison is a cap dump then toronto should be getting the 2nd rounder, not the lightning. I am all for trading for a goalie but it should be someone with term, not a 1 year ufa.
      Jun. 9, 2016 at 9:37 a.m.
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      Quoting: Juice
      Quoting: palhal
      Potential goal scoring centres (Nylander) are worth more than Trouba.... In ten years, I might think differently. Bishop would help for one year then he's a UFA like Bernier. Rebuilding Leafs really don't need Garrison with Rielly and Gardiner on the LD. Arizona has lots of centres, can't see then giving up draft choices for 30 year old Bozak.


      Palhal....I've seen tons of comments from you on this site about how GM's won't want to give up many assets for only 1 year of this guy or 2 years of that guy...I really don't think that factors in as much as you think. If you have an idea for how much the player is looking to re-sign for and are willing to make an offer in that ballpark, you make the deal. Going after a guy like Bishop would be with the assumption that you're willing to pay him big bucks long term. You've made similar comments with JVR and how he's only got 2yrs left...that's an eternity in the NHL world.

      And I think the idea of acquiring Garrison was more for salary dump purposes on Tampa's part to make the deal more attractive for them. There are probably 10-12 teams that would give a 3rd rounder for Bozak so you can swap Zona out for pretty much any other team....and Trouba is a 22yr old defenceman with a high ceiling...you have to give to get. That's fine if you prefer Nylander to him but the offer is fair.


      What he said. Exactly my thinking on all those points.
      Jun. 9, 2016 at 9:39 a.m.
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      Quoting: brian123
      From a leafs pov i think these trades are extremely generous. Lou wants a 2nd for bozak and they originally traded a 4th for marincin. Considering how much marincin improved his game since then accepting a 3rd and a 5th doesnt make sense. Should be a 2nd and a 3rd IMO. Regarding the tampa trade, if garrison is a cap dump then toronto should be getting the 2nd rounder, not the lightning. I am all for trading for a goalie but it should be someone with term, not a 1 year ufa.


      I don't disagree with you Brian... However, I would rather give up "too much" from the Leafs in these mock things and if we can get a better deal than that great! I would rather put out things like this and have some good discussion than just getting lampooned on here for Leafs robbing every other team if that makes sense.

      I totally agree that you could get more for Bozak and Marincin in particular, but essentially the point is you deal them for as high draft picks as you can get.
       
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