Weber +1 (top 10)+2+3 for Garrisson?????? Bergevin is bad but not that much buddy the sens wouldnt do that for Phaneuf keep it real dude haha

Lets mention firstly how VGK are first in the whole league right now and probably wont do anything dumb. Secondly Weber is still Quality regardless of contract. Still a top 10 man in the league, so that trade was horrendous.

Both Ottawa and Montreal say No, None of those pieces are worth both Phaneuf and Weber not even close.

Still top ten in what? Number of years left on his contract? He wouldn't be top ten in points on the above roster. Maybe among defensemen?

Let's see: Carlson, Miller, Schmidt, Weber, Theodore. yep. Top ten.

Weber's sixteen points are three ahead of Phaneuf's, but Phaneuf still starts most of his shifts in the defensive zone.

Weber has switched to playing sheltered minutes, and plays over a minute per game less than John Carlson, with fewer blocks and fewer takeaways. Fewer giveaways, too, but you have to have the puck to get those.



Pfft. Like Vegas really offers.

No.... A 1st, a 2nd, and a 3rd to take on Weber's remaining salary of over sixty million dollars, minus Garrison's remaining salary of one million, which would be less embarrassing for the Habs, who currently at least might give him a sweater and let him watch from the balcony.

The actual trade would also contain three longshot prospects heading to Montreal, so that Bergevin could talk about the future, and how he's still doing a great job, just like he did when he traded for Weber...

I meant to say top 10 d-man in the league, and I really think he is. Don't look at MTL that is even making the best goalie in the world look bad. Regardless, MTL says no. They like what they have in Weber and wouldnt want to sell him for scraps

Heck, without the above deals, Weber wouldn't be top ten in scoring on Vegas (https://www.hockey-reference.com/teams/VEG/2018.html):

1 Jon Marchessault 27 C 43 17 26 43 20 24 14 3 0 1 22 4 0 155 11.0 740 17:12 4.3 1.4 5.7 14 47 152 171 47.1
2 William Karlsson 25 C 46 25 15 40 23 8 20 3 2 5 12 3 0 97 25.8 843 18:20 4.5 1.6 6.2 26 20 205 236 46.5
3 David Perron 29 LW 40 11 27 38 10 34 10 1 0 3 21 6 0 72 15.3 708 17:42 3.2 1.0 4.2 10 74 45 76 37.2
4 Reilly Smith 26 RW 46 12 25 37 22 18 8 4 0 3 21 3 1 102 11.8 828 18:00 2.9 1.6 4.5 16 28 3 7 30.0
5 James Neal 30 LW 46 21 11 32 3 20 16 5 0 4 9 2 0 137 15.3 804 17:28 3.4 0.8 4.2 17 26 0 2 0.0
6 Erik Haula 26 LW 42 15 17 32 4 19 11 4 0 4 12 5 0 92 16.3 731 17:24 2.9 0.8 3.7 26 39 277 265 51.1
7 Colin Miller 25 D 46 6 18 24 2 26 3 3 0 1 12 6 0 108 5.6 863 18:45 2.1 1.6 3.8 33 87 1 0 100.0
8 Alex Tuch 21 RW 42 9 13 22 9 12 7 2 0 1 9 4 0 97 9.3 621 14:47 1.5 0.9 2.4 30 50 38 47 44.7
9 Nate Schmidt 26 D 46 3 17 20 13 8 3 0 0 1 13 4 0 65 4.6 1034 22:29 1.2 2.8 4.0 71 25 0 1 0.0
10 Cody Eakin 26 C 45 6 12 18 -1 16 6 0 0 1 11 0 1 53 11.3 679 15:05 0.6 0.5 1.2 26 30 321 292 52.4
11 Shea Theodore 22 D 31 4 11 15 7 2 3 1 0 1 6 5 0 60 6.7 607 19:35 1.3 1.6 2.9 42 11 0 0
12 Deryk Engelland 35 D 45 3 12 15 14 16 3 0 0 0 12 0 0 63 4.8 887 19:43 0.8 2.6 3.4 90 63 0 0
13 Brendan Leipsic 23 LW 35 2 11 13 4 4 2 0 0 0 11 0 0 58 3.4 432 12:20 0.4 0.5 0.9 13 25 5 3 62.5
14 Brayden McNabb 27 D 43 2 8 10 15 40 2 0 0 1 8 0 0 53 3.8 866 20:08 0.2 2.7 2.9 108 127 0 0
15 Luca Sbisa 28 D 24 1 9 10 6 13 1 0 0 0 8 0 1 22 4.5 478 19:56 0.6 1.3 1.9 45 35 0 0
16 Brad Hunt 29 D 23 0 9 9 1 4 0 0 0 0 3 6 0 42 0.0 396 17:12 0.5 0.8 1.2 17 9 0 1 0.0
17 Oscar Lindberg 26 C 42 7 1 8 -6 10 7 0 0 0 1 0 0 57 12.3 526 12:31 0.1 0.2 0.3 21 41 64 65 49.6
18 Tomas Nosek 25 LW 41 3 5 8 0 6 2 0 1 0 5 0 0 56 5.4 443 10:48 -0.1 0.4 0.3 12 31 16 15 51.6
19 Pierre-Edouard Bellemare 32 LW 44 5 2 7 4 8 5 0 0 1 2 0 0 54 9.3 537 12:12 -0.2 0.6 0.4 40 20 258 235 52.3
20 William Carrier 23 LW 28 1 2 3 -3 17 1 0 0 0 2 0 0 35 2.9 247 8:50 -0.3 0.1 -0.2 10 75 0 0
21 Jonathon Merrill 25 D 14 1 1 2 5 8 1 0 0 1 1 0 0 12 8.3 227 16:15 0.0 0.8 0.8 18 12 0 0
22 Vadim Shipachyov 30 LW 3 1 0 1 3 2 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 3 33.3 32 10:35 0.1 0.1 0.3 0 1 12 9 57.1
23 Jason Garrison 33 D 4 0 1 1 -2 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 5 0.0 76 18:54 0.0 0.0 0.0 15 4 0 0
24 Stefan Matteau 23 C 5 0 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 8 0.0 42 8:24 0.0 0.1 0.1 1 6 0 0
25 Ryan Carpenter 27 C 4 0 0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8 0.0 44 11:01 -0.1 0.0 -0.2 2 2 10 14 41.7
26 Oscar Dansk 23 G 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 169 42:09 0.0 0.0 0.9 0
27 Dylan Ferguson 19 G 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 9 9:14 0.0 0.0 -0.1 0
28 Marc-Andre Fleury 33 G 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 967 60:26 0.0 0.0 4.6 0 1 0 0
29 Maxime Lagace 25 G 14 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 776 55:26 0.0 0.0 0.4 0 0 0 0
30 Malcolm Subban 24 G 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 868 57:52 0.0 0.0 2.4 0 0 0 0

Maybe he's injured? Maybe he's depressed. I hope he gets better, but I'm keeping it real. Paying another sixty million dollars to someone with one more point than Deryk Engelland, but fewer hits, in more minutes.... that's not something Vegas is going to just volunteer for.

so in three years habs would go from Subban to Garrison and less picks ? That is embarrassing lol

keeping it real? Weber for Garrison? And give this year 1st round pick (top 10)? Are you really serious ?? LOL

I can't truly know what they were thinking, but when the organization's brass sat down and decided to trade a recent Norris trophy winner signed until his mid thirties for a less-recent Norris trophy runner-up, signed through his early forties... they were gambling on immediate success that hasn't materialized. I might be wrong in suggesting it's worth a lottery pick for them to dump his contract. He's still a very marketable name, and maybe someone will take him on at half salary to sell tickets through a rebuild, or they could always give him a raise to retire and join their coaching staff (taking himself off their salary cap numbers)?



Sometimes people have bad years and come back. Sometimes people have bad years and then have worse years. I don't personally know Shea Weber. He is still top ten in ice time. But he's got the fewest points of anyone in the top twenty: https://www.foxsports.com/nhl/stats?category=ICE+TIME&group=1&time=0

Weber used to play the most minutes in the league, start 60% of his shifts in his defensive zone, and pace his team in points, assists, hits, and who knows what else. This year is not exactly unfolding that way.

There could well be team problems in Montreal that are impacting most of their players' performance. But when you trade your Norris Trophy winner for a guy who's won multiple gold medals, you kind of expect him to lead the team through whatever comes their way. That doesn't seem to be happening.

Weber played with Mete, Schlemko and Benn in a team that score 2.25 goals per game.. Weber is a great D if paired with minimum a top 4 not depth players like DS or Benn.. Mete is not a nhl caliber guy yet so Weber's bad start this season is on Bergefail and no one else. Rather have Weber in the stand than Garrisson on the ice, we already have 5 guys like him.

This doesn't make a lot of sense at all. Maybe the NYR deal could be seen as plausible, but the rest are way in the deep end of the pool far away from reality and fairness.

If the value of a player depended only on his past achievements on the ice and name recognition, I would completely agree with you.

Since it also has to do with team needs, salary cap considerations, contract status, pending free agency, age and conditioning of the player, current performance, and team standings, though....