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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:49 a.m.
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Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Hockeyfan1986</b></div><div>Correction. Traded for Dvorak. Had to get Center after losing Danault(FA) and KK(offer sheeted).</div></div>
after losing Danault cause he did not want to give him 5M, which he deserved ?
KK was badly managed and should have stayed in the Liiga.
Bergevin does not know how to manage Assets, like Hughes with Monahan for example, that's assets management. HE just trade by pride and gut feeling.
HE is not cerebral and does not fit the new 2024 NHL
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:32 a.m.
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Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>RobbStark003</b></div><div>Using the 1st we got for KK and getting Dvorak was pretty rough. But yeah, he was good at trading, just wish he went All in or Rebuilt properly. All in All, he wasnt a bad GM.</div></div>
That was definitely a mistake. His biggest flaw was not realizing the teams direction earlier. Should have traded Gallagher, Tatar and Danault after that dominate season instead of resigning Gallagher and losing the other two. Taken steps to see what Weber and Price wanted with that change of direction and tanked earlier.
Even that can't be laid Soley at his feet though, gotta imagine ownership had some need to win and pushed him to make moves accordingly. Not a complete failure of a GM but definitely left the team better off than he found it, not as good as he could have left it though
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:21 a.m.
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Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Subbanator7667</b></div><div>Bergevin only really made one bad trade as his tenure of GM and that was Drouin for Sergachev
Which really points to scouting being a problem, which it always was throughout and development right behind it.
He actually won most of the trades he made, Anderson for Domi, Weise for Danault and Romanov, Pacioretty for Suzuki
The guy deserves criticism but it's mostly criticism of aspects of his job that weren't trades, trades he was mostly successful with</div></div>
Using the 1st we got for KK and getting Dvorak was pretty rough. But yeah, he was good at trading, just wish he went All in or Rebuilt properly. All in All, he wasnt a bad GM.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:15 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
I think everyone thinks they understand the Marner value in trade but realistically this is going to be kind of like a one off. So many variables and conditions involved that its impossible to find a real comparable.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:05 a.m.
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Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>sensonfire</b></div><div>Yes, it is.
His record as GM of the Habs and as Senior Advisor to the GM of the Kings speaks for itself.</div></div>
1 conference final, 1 stanley cup final. Thats not bad. His issue was acquiring an elite center. Jackets already have that. Bergevin is quite good at small depth trades and building a solid roster that plays well 5v5
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:08 a.m.
Thread:
Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jackaille</b></div><div>want me to help you:
- doesnt re-sign Radulov
- Doestn re-sign Markov
- Overly pay Subban
- Overly pay Gallagher
- Overly pay Anderson
- Sign ALZNER to 4.5M
- Ask for Cody Glass in the Pacc trade, get Suzuki by sheer luck and dumbness from Las Vegas
- Give Pacc the C
- Doesnt Re-sign Danault and sign Dvorak
I can go on lol</div></div>
Correction. Traded for Dvorak. Had to get Center after losing Danault(FA) and KK(offer sheeted).
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:01 a.m.
Thread:
Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
Yeah I'm no Bergy fan but to portray him as one who makes such bad trades is unfair. He did way more good things than bad.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:01 a.m.
Thread:
Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Jackaille</b></div><div>IT'S honestly done from what I heard from well connected people in Montreal, he still has his circle here.
He is your new GM! Good luck... he will will trade Kent Johnson this summer 100% sure, and get a tons of "heart" guys with big physic.</div></div>
All of the jackets insiders have said that he’s most likely not getting the job and they are waiting on teams to get eliminated to interview more candidates. Seemed like Bergevin is releasing those rumors to get more interest from other teams looking for a GM job. He could very well get the job but I’m hoping he doesn’t
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:58 a.m.
Thread:
Four trades that probably happen if Marc Bergevin becomes Columbuses GM
All you need is Brian Flynn on the power play and you are set
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 10:06 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WN88</b></div><div>Fair enough. I just don't think any kind of Marner trade gets done without giving up Saros. And given that Askarov could be just as good or even better than Saros over the next 2-3 years, it might be a good idea to swap Saros for Marner.</div></div>
I can see why you'd believe that, but I'm going to agree to disagree. I'm definitely opposed to moving either goalie at this point given that Marner isn't going to guarantee that we get a cup either.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:15 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>SharkTank</b></div><div>Trotz isn't going to trade Saros for the sake of trading him.
This isn't Barry's Bargain Autos in downtown Toronto.</div></div>
That is correct.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:55 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Just_A_Guess</b></div><div>We're not going to have to do anything. We can run both goaltenders for the year, or at least until the TDL. Mentoring Askarov with his fulltime transition to the NHL is also something of value for Nashville. Never have I mentioned signing both long term.
1sts are great, icing a competitive team is better. We made playoffs this year, by making additions to the roster and avoiding major subtractions (such as trading away our elite goaltending) we will be in a much better position next year. Would have to imagine the plan would be to make a push while Forsberg/Josi/ROR are still competitive and productive.</div></div>
Fair enough. I just don't think any kind of Marner trade gets done without giving up Saros. And given that Askarov could be just as good or even better than Saros over the next 2-3 years, it might be a good idea to swap Saros for Marner.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:19 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>WN88</b></div><div>Why would NSH not be interested in trading Saros? You're going to have to pay him a massive raise into his 30s (likely won't age well). Not to mention, you don't even have to solve or worry about goaltending with or without him for the next decade. If you want to run Askarov/Saros for the next 8 years, go for it. Not sure how you'd afford it though.
Making Saros expendable opens up so many possibilities for short and long-term improvement on your team. And you get out of paying him what would be, in my opinion, a very bad contract. Plus, you guys get to keep your late firsts and B/C-level prospects.</div></div>
We're not going to have to do anything. We can run both goaltenders for the year, or at least until the TDL. Mentoring Askarov with his fulltime transition to the NHL is also something of value for Nashville. Never have I mentioned signing both long term.
1sts are great, icing a competitive team is better. We made playoffs this year, by making additions to the roster and avoiding major subtractions (such as trading away our elite goaltending) we will be in a much better position next year. Would have to imagine the plan would be to make a push while Forsberg/Josi/ROR are still competitive and productive.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:14 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Just_A_Guess</b></div><div>I would start with removing Saros and including pieces Nashville would be interested in trading.
I understand Toronto is foaming at the mouth for a goaltender, Nashville has lots of futures to offer up for a guy like Marner and maybe even JT and they can dangle those for a goaltender from someone else.
2025 draft picks (Toronto is going to have to pay that signing bonus), Schaefer, Wood, Parssinen, Glass, Lauzon, Lind, Prokop, Tomasino. Make yourself a package and go from there.</div></div>
Why would NSH not be interested in trading Saros? You're going to have to pay him a massive raise into his 30s (likely won't age well). Not to mention, you don't even have to solve or worry about goaltending with or without him for the next decade. If you want to run Askarov/Saros for the next 8 years, go for it. Not sure how you'd afford it though.
Making Saros expendable opens up so many possibilities for short and long-term improvement on your team. And you get out of paying him what would be, in my opinion, a very bad contract. Plus, you guys get to keep your late firsts and B/C-level prospects.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:13 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sadleaffan</b></div><div>Okay Well take either Saros or Askarov, your pick, if you want to keep both then Zach L'heureux or Moldenyk need to be in the package with a first plus maybe a Tomasino or something.</div></div>
It will be a "we're keeping both" scenario. There's plenty of value in the pieces I listed to get the deal done for both sides.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:11 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Sadleaffan</b></div><div>Okay Well take either Saros or Askarov, your pick, if you want to keep both then Zach L'heureux or Moldenyk need to be in the package with a first plus maybe a Tomasino or something.</div></div>
Rather give up saros. Nashville is no position to give up thrleit top prospects
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:10 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Wz92</b></div><div>I'd say absolutely he can, in truth he is essentially a center that doesn't take draws. He has the defensive capabilities you need in a center and plays with the puck on his stick like a center. No doubt in my mind he would make Forsberg a 50 goal guy</div></div>
O’Reilly almost made forsberg a 50 goal scorer. I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t intrigued but it will depend on the package and contract
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:08 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Just_A_Guess</b></div><div>I would start with removing Saros and including pieces Nashville would be interested in trading.
I understand Toronto is foaming at the mouth for a goaltender, Nashville has lots of futures to offer up for a guy like Marner and maybe even JT and they can dangle those for a goaltender from someone else.
2025 draft picks (Toronto is going to have to pay that signing bonus), Schaefer, Wood, Parssinen, Glass, Lauzon, Lind, Prokop, Tomasino. Make yourself a package and go from there.</div></div>
Okay Well take either Saros or Askarov, your pick, if you want to keep both then Zach L'heureux or Moldenyk need to be in the package with a first plus maybe a Tomasino or something.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:02 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>GeauxPreds1</b></div><div>I know I wouldn’t want to add too much more to saros from this pred fans. Marner may be elite but he also comes with a big price tag. And getting rid of that contract helps Toronto fill more needs on the defense. If they could Marner into saros and say pesce then I think they have a better all around team. I’m hesitant on Marner because will he be able to produce without an elite center</div></div>
I'd say absolutely he can, in truth he is essentially a center that doesn't take draws. He has the defensive capabilities you need in a center and plays with the puck on his stick like a center. No doubt in my mind he would make Forsberg a 50 goal guy
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AK50</b></div><div>I'd steer clear of Marner for Saros. We need a #1 center and Marner isn't that. However, if Marner signs an extension under 10 mil, I'd consider if he comes with a 1st and Minten and NSH gives back Pars and Del Gaizo.
I'd keep both. It'd be a fantastic tandem.</div></div>
Problem with keeping both is their ages and contracts don’t mesh well like Rinne and saros’s did. You sign saros to 8 years and you’re blocking askarov till 30 to become a starter because you don’t want to pay for a 8 million dollar back up
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:01 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AK50</b></div><div>I'd steer clear of Marner for Saros. We need a #1 center and Marner isn't that. However, if Marner signs an extension under 10 mil, I'd consider if he comes with a 1st and Minten and NSH gives back Pars and Del Gaizo.
I'd keep both. It'd be a fantastic tandem.</div></div>
If Marner signed a contract for 10M he wouldn't have his head on a wanted poster. Not familiar with Nashville's prospects but the guys you mentioned don't really move the needle enough to be added on-top of a 1, a top prospect, and a cusp100 point scorer.
I agree sauros is a stud, but Toronto sees blood irrationality. That's part of why the fan base is so hard to play in. The fans are emotional and irrational. Just because everyone wants Marner out doesn't mean he's not significantly better than sauros.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 9:00 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
I believe goalies are undervalued in the trade market. Unfortunately the league doesn't agree with me. The biggest package for a goalie in the last 15 years was Darcy Kuemper which netted (lol) the 32nd overall pick, a D prospect who was a 2nd round pick and close to cracking the league, and a conditional 3rd. The biggest asset ever moved in this time period was the Cory Schneider trade that garnered the 9th overall pick. Looking at those, Kuemper was older and slightly worse stat- wise than Saros is now. Schneider was a year younger at the time of his trade than Saros is now and comparable stat-wise (and situation-wise, as Schneider took over in net for Brodeur just as Saros did for Rinne).
Put all this together: Marner for Saros is an overpay for the Leafs but desperation can play a factor. Both Schneider and Keumper were moved to keep competitive teams from falling off after another great goaltender fell off/ retired (Luongo and Holtby respectively) whereas the Leafs haven't sniffed a G that good in this run. That may convince the Leafs that all they're missing is a true #1 and they can compete.
In reality, the Leafs give up Marner and a mid round pick, they should net Saros, this year's 1st, Cody Glass, a B+ prospect, and potentially take 2-3 million of salary of Marner's cap and get the deal done. Both guys have extensions in place, and both fanbases think they were ripped off. Hilarity ensues, the Leafs make the ECF before being victims of a gentleman's sweep and the Preds miss the playoffs but bounce back the next season.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 8:59 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Just_A_Guess</b></div><div>I don't see either of those as the course of action yet. The goalie succession plan appears to be coming to fruition.
1 year left on both Saros' & Askarov's contracts. At bare minimum we start the season with both goaltenders and see how it plays out. A year of direct mentorship from Saros will pay off in spades in the long run if nothing else.</div></div>
Trotz isn't going to trade Saros for the sake of trading him.
This isn't Barry's Bargain Autos in downtown Toronto.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 8:58 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>AK50</b></div><div>I'd steer clear of Marner for Saros. We need a #1 center and Marner isn't that. However, if Marner signs an extension under 10 mil, I'd consider if he comes with a 1st and Minten and NSH gives back Pars and Del Gaizo.
I'd keep both. It'd be a fantastic tandem.</div></div>
Why not?
Take advantage of Askarov's cheap contract.
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Armchair-GM
Thu. at 8:58 a.m.
Thread:
How would you make a Mitch Marner Juuse Saros swap more fair
I know I wouldn’t want to add too much more to saros from this pred fans. Marner may be elite but he also comes with a big price tag. And getting rid of that contract helps Toronto fill more needs on the defense. If they could Marner into saros and say pesce then I think they have a better all around team. I’m hesitant on Marner because will he be able to produce without an elite center
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