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Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 6:23 a.m.
Thread: Different options p2
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>DQavis</b></div><div>Ppl are so stupid zegras best season is 60pts <strong>he wasnt even 0.5 ppg this season</strong>
And what u want 5 first for him. We all know the future top 6 of anahiem doesnt have zegras in it

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And if ur telling me that zegras is a second line winger then hes value decreases as hesnt a 1rst liner nor center more.

So a top 10 pick
A 2nd rd pick
2 top 9 fwd prospect
A top 4 rhd prospect

And a already established top 6 lhd</div></div>
You really shouldn't make embarrassingly uninformed statements like this because it betrays how little you understand about Trevor Zegras.

We don't want "5 firsts" for Zegras. We want quality over quantity. Anaheim wouldn't trade for a single one of those players independently. You cannot construct even remotely intelligent trades without knowing the other team's needs. The Ducks have better prospects than Farrell and Heineman in the system and Harris is utterly redundant in light of the 5 NHL-experienced LhDs already under team control for next season.

Our position has always been consistent and remains clear, and pretty simple, too: a high-quality prospect like Beck or Mesar to hedge the risk of accepting a draft pick for a proven player, and a top-10 first-round draft pick, not some agglomeration of lower-value choices like the Winnipeg and Calgary/Florida picks. Two elements, two firsts -- the same return that you would ask for the entirely comparable Cole Caufield.
Forum: Armchair-GMYesterday at 10:33 p.m.
Thread: Help bedard
Draft-pick-value charts tell us that the difference between the second overall pick and picks 14, 33 and 42 is in the pick 20 area, which the Black Hawks already own. Let's put aside for another day the discussion of whether Ferraro = pick 20. By definition, the chance of pick 20 producing an impact player is far greater than a pick in the 33 - 42 range, and having two of the latter doesn't change the odds much. So this idea doesn't give Chicago much more than what they have right now, and the enormous quality gulf between the player drafted at #2 and the player drafted at #14 should dwarf any other consideration. In short, I think that having picks 2 and 20 far outweighs the benefits of having picks 14, 20, 33 and 42 and Ferraro. I think that this is an instance of quality beats quantity.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 1:32 p.m.
Thread: Does LA Take This
LA can't afford to upgrade from Kempe to Marner. Due to their cap situation, any trade the Kings make this off-season has to be cap-neutral or cap-positive, not $6 million cap-negative.

In no particular order, Rob Blake's objectives this summer are:
1. agree on a new contract with Quinton Byfield
2. fill both goaltender positions
3. fill out the roster
4. acquire a quality winger to turn DuBois into a productive player

We'd love to have Marner. If the cap ceiling was about $92 million, we could afford to have him. But the math is the reality.

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>JackSC87</b></div><div>To anyone in this comment section who either thinks this is a good deal for Toronto or thinks that LA would decline is out of their minds and so influenced by recency bias.</div></div>
Assume that the trade is two seasons of Kempe for one season of Marner, and not what is shown here, which is wildly unfavorable for Toronto.

Los Angeles would be forced to decline because to accept it would mean the Kings would have to play every minute of every game with an empty net. That $5 million difference in cap hits is the sum I'm pretty sure Rob Blake has available to fill the two goalie positions.
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 1:14 p.m.
Thread: Marner to Utah
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>Lancebmx</b></div><div>Probably the best take on a Marner trade I've seen. You sent Toronto a replacement player and a project of a player with some decent potential. Utah can afford to send a bunch of seconds and still make a ton of picks.</div></div>

<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>palhal</b></div><div>I kinda think Trevling would love to trade Marner. But it's a real difficult trade because of NMC and what teams can take on his cap?
So many would disagree, but I would prefer just getting a picks back in return and have 11m to spend on UFAs this summer.
Like the lineup you posted, but let's imagine Schmaltz and Haydon didn't come back in the trade. Maybe the Leafs sign Toffelli to play RW. That would leave cap for an 8th Dman like Edmundson,
It would leave the Leafs carrying 8 NHL Dmen, as I don't think there are any Marlies you could trust playing big minutes with the Leafs in 24/25. Liljegren not getting traded would also be an option.</div></div>
Thanks for the feedback, guys! :cheers
Forum: Armchair-GMWed. at 12:03 p.m.
Thread: Moving up
To begin with, the difference between 3rd overall and 5th overall is 21st overall -- well up the ladder from where the Winnipeg first is even if Boston, Colorado and Edmonton win their second series.

Second, none of those young players is very appealing to Anaheim (specifically). Barron is a very good prospect and looks like he might be a second-pairing RD. However, Pat Verbeek's announced assignment for this off-season is to add a top-4 RD and we already have Gudas and Lindstrom on the roster and Luneau coming up, so he's not the jewel to us that he might (and should) be to other teams. Harris, while also a very nice prospect with second-pair potential, is a LD and we have no fewer than four young LDs already on the roster in addition to Cam Fowler plus two good prospects coming up on that side, so he isn't a needle-mover either. Kidney is, as you admit, a B prospect left-handed forward and we have a surplus of those both on the roster and in the pipeline, so he's effectively a nullity. If Chicago takes Levshunov, I think that Anaheim would only accept the Winnipeg first and another pick or a right-handed A prospect like Beck or Mesar plus your earliest 2025 second to move back to fifth overall. Easily affordable spare parts like Barron, Harris, Kidney, Heineman, RHP etc. no more close the gap in this kind of deal than they do in a proposed Trevor Zegras trade.