I just don't think that's the kind of package Carolina wants

I think it's a realistic return for him. Most of the posts I see from the Carolina side are way more than I think he actually gets.

No thanks, rather Compher or Copp be the main piece and if not, a young player better than veleno since we already have 56 left handed 3Cs

I'd actually prefer Copp over Veleno. But, Yzerman loves his locker room guys, so I'm not sure how open he would be to moving him.

I'd love Walman in this deal. Slavin-Burns, Orlov-Chatfield, Walman-Morrow. Just not sold on Veleno.

Locker room guys are more important than many people think. That's why I think Perron gets a new deal, great guy to have to in the locker room, great leader.

Consider me in the camp that finds it to be completely overrated. I'm not really interested in locker room leaders with limited on ice value. I also think they find a way to bring back Perron, but I would be against it.

If Copp, Walman, 2025 1st is the deal, I'd be in.

It's how you have teams not end up like Buffalo, not saying the they don't have other issues or their leaders are bad, just using them as a consistent poor team.
I could use Edmonton as a reference. From what I heard, from NHL players and people in Edmonton, in the Hall, Eberle and Yakupov days, those guys would go out to the bar after every game. They spent a bunch of time partying instead of training and working on their game. My friend, who played with the Wild at the time, told me that their team would go and party 2-3 times a year at most in season. They had a good team with good leaders. Now, do you think with the right leadership group, those boys maybe get held accountable? Hard to say but I would argue yes.
I'm in the boat that feels like good leadership and culture is very important. Obviously you need the skills and what not but without the leadership, you won't succeed. I compare it to a workplace. If you have a good leader that keeps people happy and keeps efficiency up, the finished product will be better.
Anyways, thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

I don't think it's completely worthless. I just think, specifically in the NHL compared to other sports leagues, it gets overprioritized to the point that it becomes a detriment to team success. In the case of the wings, you have plenty of guys in the room between Larkin, Compher, Copp, Raymond, Cat, Seider, Chairot, etc. that have shown the drive to be successful. Does bringing back Perron really add anything? If he is being brought back and is blocking someone like Kasper from making the team, I would argue they are fielding a worse roster, while also stunting one of your most important prospects development.

I'm personally not a fan of Copp in Carolina.

Value wise I think it's fine I just think they get better.