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Gotta Make Moves To Fix Yzermans Mess

Created by: IDKtbh
Team: 2024-25 Detroit Red Wings
Initial Creation Date: Jun. 6, 2024
Published: Jun. 6, 2024
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You would think extending Kane at market value would be a priority for a team whose scoring has been an issue for years but, I would guess that he doesn’t even get an offer from Yzerman. Lalonde choosing not to play Berggren after he showed he absolutely can play in this league and generate offense is offensive to me. I love Yzerman as a player and a person but, as a GM I think he has been pathetic outside of his slightly above average drafting. Came into a situation with a terrible cap situation and a bare cupboard of prospects and now we’re arguably in cap hell again but at least we have some decent prospects to work with.
Free Agent Signings
RFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$1,825,000
2$1,250,000
1$1,000,000
8$7,875,000
8$8,325,000
UFAYEARSCAP HIT
3$4,250,000
3$2,500,000
3$5,250,000
1$6,500,000
6$6,750,000
Trades
1.
DET
  1. 2024 1st round pick (CAR)
CAR
  1. Veleno, Joseph [RFA Rights]
  2. Walman, Jake
  3. 2024 4th round pick (DAL)
  4. 2025 2nd round pick (DET)
2.
DET
  1. 2024 2nd round pick (VAN)
NYI
  1. Määttä, Olli
  2. 2024 3rd round pick (DET)
3.
DET
  1. Markström, Jacob ($3,000,000 retained)
CGY
  1. Chiarot, Ben
  2. Husso, Ville
  3. 2024 1st round pick (CAR)
  4. 2024 2nd round pick (DET)
4.
DET
  1. 2025 4th round pick (CHI)
5.
SJS
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. 2024 2nd round pick (VAN)
  3. 2026 3rd round pick (DET)
Buyouts
DraftRound 1Round 2Round 3Round 4Round 5Round 6Round 7
2024
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2025
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2026
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ROSTER SIZESALARY CAPCAP HITOVERAGES TooltipBONUSESCAP SPACE
21$88,500,000$85,669,307$0$1,850,000$2,830,693
Left WingCentreRight Wing
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$7,875,000$7,875,000
LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$8,700,000$8,700,000
C
NTC
UFA - 7
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$7,875,000$7,875,000
RW, LW
RFA
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$886,667$886,667 (Performance Bonus$1,000,000$1M)
C
RFA - 3
$6,500,000$6,500,000
C, RW
UFA - 7
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,250,000$5,250,000
RW
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,825,000$1,825,000
RW, LW
RFA
$4,250,000$4,250,000
RW, C
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,100,000$5,100,000
C, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$3,200,000$3,200,000
LW, C
UFA - 4
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$5,625,000$5,625,000
C, LW, RW
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$905,833$905,833
LW
RFA - 2
Left DefenseRight DefenseGoaltender
$6,750,000$6,750,000
LD
UFA - 7
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$8,325,000$8,325,000
RD
RFA
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$1,125,000$1,125,000
G
NMC
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$894,167$894,167 (Performance Bonus$850,000$850K)
LD
RFA - 2
$2,500,000$2,500,000
RD
UFA - 2
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$900,000$900,000
G
UFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$1,250,000$1,250,000
LD
RFA - 1
Logo of the Detroit Red Wings
$2,343,750$2,343,750
RD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
ScratchesInjured Reserve (IR)Long Term IR (LTIR)
Logo of the San Jose Sharks
$2,000,000$2,000,000
C
UFA - 1

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Jun. 7 at 12:19 a.m.
#26
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Quoting: SharkTank
It was Kenny Holland.

He said he would've taken Seider if he was still there.

He took Broberg at #8.


That's probably it.
Jun. 7 at 12:27 a.m.
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I wouldn't agree with any of this, other than maybe the boys club. It wasn't about putting the plug to try and win. It was able icing a team of NHL players and trying to build a winning culture. Pre-McDavid Oilers Ave the Sabres are perfect examples. Those teams just expected to lose every game. Edmonton specifically, those boys you could see in the bar after every game. Had a buddy with Minnesota at the time, they never did that. The culture was different. Look at Buffalo, how many times have they been on the bottom, still are. They didn't build a winning culture and it shows, everyone just expects them to be bad. I would say majority of the players signed as free agents are there not only to help the team be better but also shelter our young guys when they come up.
At the end of the day you have to make money and losing doesn't make money. Don't forget about the business side of things, the fact we had the COVID seasons and just built a new arena.


I just don’t buy the “winning culture” narrative as much as most. I think it can help on the edges, but teams with the most talent get labeled with good culture because they win. The wings haven’t made the playoffs since 2016, any winning culture is long gone. Finishing 4th from the bottom or 12th from the bottom isn’t impacting it either way.

When I say they pulled the plug early it is because it was clear that they hadn’t yet acquired enough elite talent at the top of the draft to compete at a truly elite level. Seider and Raymond are great players, and Kasper, Cossa, Edvinsson look like they’ll play meaningful NHL hockey, but they needed a true 1C. They would have been far better served biting the bullet on one more year of serious pain and bringing in a Fantilli, for example.

They went the other way and brought in a number of mid-tier free agents that weren’t going to get you to the playoffs, but were also going to keep you from the truly elite level prospect they needed. In my opinion it was a mistake then, and I still think it was. Currently, they look like a team headed for the mushy middle without some creative maneuvering to acquire the type of talent they will need.
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Jun. 7 at 12:48 a.m.
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On your team though, McIsaac doesn't get a contract. He's playing in Europe or something. I doubt he gets tendered a qualifying offer.
Berggren doesn't really deserve that much money, I think he gets a bit extra but that's quite a bit. Could work out really well if he plays well. The risk might be worth it.
Johansson doesn't get that much, can likely get him on a two year deal for under a million.
Lindholm isn't signing a one year deal, not at his age.
Duchene likely gets that offer at least in Dallas and stays there.
You were complaining about the big contracts to not great players then sign 30 year old Skjei to a big 6 year deal and 32 year old be Hakanpaa to a 3 year deal. Nothing against those players but those deals won't agree well at all.
Giving up a first, even if there is questionable cap attached, for a 34 year old goalie is also not great.
Jun. 7 at 1:13 a.m.
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It all looks bad at present value until you see Hronek do nothing for half a season and realize you have to remember the future, and thankfully Yzerman does.
Jun. 7 at 2:05 a.m.
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Quoting: Lancebmx
On your team though, McIsaac doesn't get a contract. He's playing in Europe or something. I doubt he gets tendered a qualifying offer.
Berggren doesn't really deserve that much money, I think he gets a bit extra but that's quite a bit. Could work out really well if he plays well. The risk might be worth it.
Johansson doesn't get that much, can likely get him on a two year deal for under a million.
Lindholm isn't signing a one year deal, not at his age.
Duchene likely gets that offer at least in Dallas and stays there.
You were complaining about the big contracts to not great players then sign 30 year old Skjei to a big 6 year deal and 32 year old be Hakanpaa to a 3 year deal. Nothing against those players but those deals won't agree well at all.
Giving up a first, even if there is questionable cap attached, for a 34 year old goalie is also not great.


The Berggren deal I went on the higher side for the term. Sure he could sign a 2 year deal around $1.4m or so, but since I expect him to outplay that contract, he’d likely command double or triple on his next contract. The 3 year deal at a higher AAV gives us leverage in that 2nd or 3rd year to not only have a cheap quality player but also a value trade chip.

I’m not trading a 1st round pick for Markstrom; I am trading a 1st round pick for a 50% retained Markstrom whilst dumping Chiarot & Husso’s contracts. Not to mention the 1st rounder came from Carolina in the Walman & Veleno deal. So ultimately if I can move Walman, Chiarot & Husso’s contracts at the expense of Joe Veleno and a couple 2nd round picks while solidifying our goaltending at a low dollar amount until Cossa is ready, I am doing that. Besides, what better veteran goaltender could we add than a guy who Cossa very naturally projects so similarly to.

Hakanpaa I love. There are a few players in this league who are overlooked and are quite simply “role” players and they fit them to a tee and I am very endeared to those types of players; Garnet Hathaway is one of those guys and Hakanpaa is another. What you see is what you get with him and he does what he’s asked to do, a big body, physical and I think he’d be perfect next to Edvinsson. He deserves every penny of that deal at a measly $2.5m.

The Skjei deal, admittedly wasn’t my favorite option. I think he is a fine player and next to Seider he’s a legitimate top pair defenseman. My preference/goal would be to somehow pry away Jonas Brodin from Minnesota albeit probably unrealistic. I flirted with the idea of packaging Wallinder & the 15oa pick for him but decided to keep as many assets in our back pockets to potentially make a big move at the deadline or the following season and elected to go the FA route.
Jun. 7 at 2:08 a.m.
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Quoting: Swedish_Mafia
I just don’t buy the “winning culture” narrative as much as most. I think it can help on the edges, but teams with the most talent get labeled with good culture because they win. The wings haven’t made the playoffs since 2016, any winning culture is long gone. Finishing 4th from the bottom or 12th from the bottom isn’t impacting it either way.

When I say they pulled the plug early it is because it was clear that they hadn’t yet acquired enough elite talent at the top of the draft to compete at a truly elite level. Seider and Raymond are great players, and Kasper, Cossa, Edvinsson look like they’ll play meaningful NHL hockey, but they needed a true 1C. They would have been far better served biting the bullet on one more year of serious pain and bringing in a Fantilli, for example.

They went the other way and brought in a number of mid-tier free agents that weren’t going to get you to the playoffs, but were also going to keep you from the truly elite level prospect they needed. In my opinion it was a mistake then, and I still think it was. Currently, they look like a team headed for the mushy middle without some creative maneuvering to acquire the type of talent they will need.


Bro we need to stop saying the same exact things, people are gonna think we’re the same person using burner accounts. 😂 I agree with every single word you have said.
Jun. 7 at 6:31 a.m.
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For what feels like the millionth time: not sure Hawks would have any interest in Fabbri but they certainly wouldn’t pay anything for him.
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Jun. 7 at 7:29 a.m.
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Quoting: IDKtbh
Bro we need to stop saying the same exact things, people are gonna think we’re the same person using burner accounts. 😂 I agree with every single word you have said.


😂 I realize I (we?) am in the minority on those opinions. But, I do feel they missed an amazing opportunity to do the rebuild the right way. Yzerman had as much rope as any GM in the league to hang out at the bottom until you built a young core that could be dominant for a decade.

They finally got to a special draft class with 3 centers sitting at the top and they accelerated when they should have braked. It is what it is now, there’s more than one way to build a championship team. But it’s going to take some very shrewd maneuvering in the trade market and in free agency. We’ll see what he does.
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Jun. 7 at 8:30 a.m.
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CHI is not paying for Fabbri.
 
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