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Sep. 19, 2023 at 6:07 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 19, 2023 at 6:29 p.m.
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I like it, but at this point I feel like there has to be a Jarkrok trade before the season, no?


If they had gotten Heinen on a league min or PTO would have thought that but since hes in Boston that ship sailed. As if you look at Treelivings past moves one of them was for Jarnkrok and apparently he did want to keep him just couldn't make the money work

Probs will be Timmins moved or Waived along with Gambrell and Jones

Robertson plays full AHL season and they can play with a 20 man team.
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Sep. 19, 2023 at 6:13 p.m.
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Edited Sep. 19, 2023 at 6:33 p.m.
https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/montreal-canadiens-acquire-forward-tanner-pearson-from-vancouver-canucks-1.2009786

There no more need for him problem solved

Still odd MTL wanted him considering they got so many wings lul

But yea Pearson to Toronto made 0 sense as hes not an upgrade over anyone we currently have besides maybe McMann but I would rather give him a shot
Sep. 20, 2023 at 9:33 a.m.
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Leafs announce their Training Camp roster, and both Leslie and Sova have tagged along 👀

ELC watch is on. Please get them inked
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Sep. 20, 2023 at 9:34 a.m.
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Quoting: NorthernLeafsFan05
Leafs announce their Training Camp roster, and both Leslie and Sova have tagged along 👀

ELC watch is on. Please get them inked


Frasca also tags along from Traverse, but no Greenway
Sep. 20, 2023 at 11:01 a.m.
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Nylander at centre is interesting, but not if its 3rd line centre like we have seen before. He needs to be pushing 18+ mins a night or else his talent is being wasted
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Sep. 20, 2023 at 12:30 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
**** no lul

Would rather keep Lafferty than that guy


Okay agree to disagree but if you have Jarnkrok OR Lafferty and Ti, which would you do???
And why
Sep. 20, 2023 at 12:36 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
Okay agree to disagree but if you have Jarnkrok OR Lafferty and Ti, which would you do???
And why


Timmins is a nice little add, but he isn't good enough to be worth a trade just to protect
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Sep. 20, 2023 at 12:39 p.m.
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Quoting: Trickster
Okay agree to disagree but if you have Jarnkrok OR Lafferty and Ti, which would you do???
And why


Leafs dont got to choose between Lafferty and Jarnkrok

Waive Gambrell, Jones, and Timmins. Send down Robertson and they are cap compliant. Would prefer to trade Timmins and get at least a low pick back but if you lose him for nothing via waivers so be it.

And there yah go cap compliant even the training camp roster shows it minus having Robertson on over McMann
Sep. 20, 2023 at 12:44 p.m.
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Quoting: Random2152
Timmins is a nice little add, but he isn't good enough to be worth a trade just to protect


To me like Buffalo did with Lybushkin just try and get something for him

A low pick, player who can contribute for the Marlies, etc

But hey if we lose him for nothing to waivers its not the end of the world. If somehow he slips to the Marlies W
Sep. 20, 2023 at 12:45 p.m.
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Leafs putting Nylander at Center when they have Domi makes no sense

950 faceoffs last year with a 53.7 FOW% between Dallas and Chicago

He should be the 3c with Nylander going to RW

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Jarnkrok-JT-Marner
Knies-Domi-McMann
Lafferty-Kampf-Reaves
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Sep. 20, 2023 at 12:46 p.m.
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Nylander at C

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Sep. 20, 2023 at 12:58 p.m.
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Leafs putting Nylander at Center when they have Domi makes no sense

950 faceoffs last year with a 53.7 FOW% between Dallas and Chicago

He should be the 3c with Nylander going to RW

Bertuzzi-Matthews-Nylander
Jarnkrok-JT-Marner
Knies-Domi-McMann
Lafferty-Kampf-Reaves


Wait no scratch that this could be big brain move as good Centers get more trade value than Wings. Increasing his trade value if they cant get him extended is not a bad play by the Tree
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Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:01 p.m.
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Wait no scratch that this could be big brain move as good Centers get more trade value than Wings. Increasing his trade value if they cant get him extended is not a bad play by the Tree


Trading Nylander is a loser mentality. It isn't happening
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:26 p.m.
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Trading Nylander is a loser mentality. It isn't happening


So letting him walk in FA is the better move?

As if he sticks to his 10m ask Toronto aint giving him that but someone in FA could

If someone comes and offers a similar pkg to what Horvat or PLD got I got 0 complaints
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Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:28 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
So letting him walk in FA is the better move?


Yes. We're trying to win, not maximize asset margins
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:29 p.m.
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Yes. We're trying to win


Sure but trading Nylander can also = winning depending on the return

If you get a Horvat pkg for Nylander you then take the 1st like Van did and bring someone else in

Cant be scared to move these guys look at VGK
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:31 p.m.
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Sure but trading Nylander can also = winning depending on the return


There is no package that helps us more than Nylander does
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:37 p.m.
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There is no package that helps us more than Nylander does


Thats not really true

If the Leafs got a similar pkg to what Horvat or PLD did that can easily help them. The best scenerio would be a Tkachuck like trade where they get a top 6 wing and top 4 Dman back but thats gonna be a challenge.

As then you add good pieces some of which you can then flip to add more useful players.

VGK has shown it along with other teams got to sometimes move on to win.

We know Tree is potentially looking for an Eichel like trade and if he can get that for Willy would be over the moon as you can then flip some of the assets to add more.
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:42 p.m.
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Quoting: aadoyle
Thats not really true

If the Leafs got a similar pkg to what Horvat or PLD did that can easily help them. The best scenerio would be a Tkachuck like trade where they get a top 6 wing and top 4 Dman back but thats gonna be a challenge.


Nylander is a top 30 forward in the world.
He is also a rental.
There is no Nylander trade that makes us better. Fullstop.
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:43 p.m.
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Nylander is a top 30 forward in the world.
He is also a rental.
There is no Nylander trade that makes us better. Fullstop.


Rentals got value look at what Horvat got

1st + Good prospect + top 9 wing

Now the better option is a sign and trade like Tkachuck and PLD but thats gonna be tricky considering his ask of 10m

Still the more the season goes on the more a team may bite the bullet and do it
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:47 p.m.
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Rentals got value look at what Horvat got

1st + Good prospect + top 9 wing


Worthless crap for what we need.
Stop trying to be the Vancouver Canucks. We want to win
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:48 p.m.
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Rentals got value look at what Horvat got

1st + Good prospect + top 9 wing

Now the better option is a sign and trade like Tkachuck and PLD but thats gonna be tricky considering his ask of 10m

Still the more the season goes on the more a team may bite the bullet and do it


you really think a Beavillier + Raty + 1st level package in a year where we are in all in on a cup would help us better than a 40 goal 85+ point player? Short of a crazy overpay by a team, no conceivable Nylander trade makes us more competitive today.
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:50 p.m.
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So letting him walk in FA is the better move?

As if he sticks to his 10m ask Toronto aint giving him that but someone in FA could

If someone comes and offers a similar pkg to what Horvat or PLD got I got 0 complaints


Not trading Nylander doesn't mean letting him walk to Free Agency. It could also mean we re-sign the guy...
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:57 p.m.
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you really think a Beavillier + Raty + 1st level package in a year where we are in all in on a cup would help us better than a 40 goal 85+ point player? Short of a crazy overpay by a team, no conceivable Nylander trade makes us more competitive today.


Your missing something Van then took the 1st and flipped it for Hronek

So in the end they got a top 4 D, top 9 wing and prospect for Willy

If Tree plays his cards right he goes out and gets a top 4 Dman, top 9 wing and with the prospect then flips him for another player or two.


Like lets say SEA calls Toronto and says we will give you A 1st + Bjorkstrand + Kartye for Willy

Then Tree takes that 1st and Kartye brings in a top 4 RD and useful depth wing


Other teams have traded key guys and won cups VGK last year did it. Toronto cant be in lets keep our rental mindset if there is a chance to trade as if Willy walks for nothing and they dont get out of the second round thats not a good look
Sep. 20, 2023 at 1:58 p.m.
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Your missing something Van then took the 1st and flipped it for Hronek

So in the end they got a top 4 D, top 9 wing and prospect for Willy

If Tree plays his cards right he goes out and gets a top 4 Dman, top 9 wing and with the prospect then flips him for another player or two.


Like lets say SEA calls Toronto and says we will give you A 1st + Bjorkstrand + Kartye for Willy

Then Tree takes that 1st and Kartye brings in a top 4 RD and useful depth wing


Other teams have traded key guys and won cups VGK last year did it. Toronto cant be in lets keep our rental mindset if there is a chance to trade as if Willy walks for nothing and they dont get out of the second round thats not a good look


ok if we got a 3rd line forward and a 2nd pair D I don't think that helps us. How bout we just trade a pick or prospect for a 2nd pair D and not downgrade so hard up front

If willy walks it sucks but c'est la vie, we have budget to spend in FA now instead. Could get that calibre of player that you're talking about in FA with that money the next year no problem
 
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