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(WPG/LAK) - Dubois for Iafallo, Kupari, Vilardi, 2024 2nd (MTL)

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Apr. 12 at 7:31 p.m.
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It's actually hilarious that; while being in a deserved bottom 6 role with the Kings,

Dubois would still be 5th in scoring if he played on the Habs...


No Habs fan has the right to clown on this trade, Jets fans however...


For a guy that's making 8.5 Million, more than any active player on our roster, we absolutely can clown on them.
Apr. 12 at 7:46 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
For a guy that's making 8.5 Million, more than any active player on our roster, we absolutely can clown on them.


Have 5 guys who are scoring more than him, then sure... Until then, sorry
Apr. 12 at 7:48 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Have 5 guys who are scoring more than him, then sure... Until then, sorry


I don't know what having 5 guys scoring more has anything to do with it. He's making 8.5 Million, playing 4th line 5v5, and is higher paid than every Montreal forward.
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Apr. 12 at 8:10 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
I don't know what having 5 guys scoring more has anything to do with it. He's making 8.5 Million, playing 4th line 5v5, and is higher paid than every Montreal forward.


Because he'd still be a top 5 player in MTL....
Apr. 12 at 8:18 p.m.
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Quoting: Leafsfan98
Because he'd still be a top 5 player in MTL....


Our 5th best forward on Montreal, despite being our highest paid forward on top of what they traded to get him. Sorry for being rude/blunt, but are you slow?
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Apr. 12 at 8:20 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Our 5th best forward on Montreal, despite being our highest paid forward on top of what they traded to get him. Sorry for being rude/blunt, but are you slow?


4rth best forward, actually... While getting 4rth line minutes... When you have 5 players outscoring PLD, then you can make fun of him...
Apr. 12 at 8:22 p.m.
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4rth best forward, actually... While getting 4rth line minutes... When you have 5 players outscoring PLD, then you can make fun of him...


Why does it have to be 5 players? If he's being paid the most, he should be one of our top players, not a 4th line guy who plays 15 Mins a night.
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Apr. 13 at 8:15 a.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
For a guy that's making 8.5 Million, more than any active player on our roster, we absolutely can clown on them.


That guy is the troll king of mental gymnastics. His logic is equivalent to telling someone to prove that leprechauns don't exist. Frig off with your logical fallacies, genius. The Jets fans can clown him but not Habs fans huh?! Cause all Habs fans said he was overrated and they were right like wut

Why don't you block him? You cant win an argument against someone like that. This is the same guy going around saying Lane Hutson is a bust before playing a game. They are everywhere online.
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Apr. 13 at 12:32 p.m.
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Quoting: KSIxSKULLS
Why does it have to be 5 players? If he's being paid the most, he should be one of our top players, not a 4th line guy who plays 15 Mins a night.


Because that's a full starting lineup... Have a full starting lineup of guys outproducing him, then sure... But until then... You can't talk smack as your team would be better off with him than without him
Apr. 13 at 12:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Andy_Dick
That guy is the troll king of mental gymnastics. His logic is equivalent to telling someone to prove that leprechauns don't exist. Frig off with your logical fallacies, genius. The Jets fans can clown him but not Habs fans huh?! Cause all Habs fans said he was overrated and they were right like wut

Why don't you block him? You cant win an argument against someone like that. This is the same guy going around saying Lane Hutson is a bust before playing a game. They are everywhere online.


😂😂😂😂😂😂... Please state where I said Hutson would be a bust... I've called Caufield an overpayment that has potentially to be a decent contract (something that is currently true) and I've said Josh Anderson, Sean Monahan and Joel Edmunson weren't worth a 1st each (2/3 were correct and the other was the biggest overpayment this TDL)

Just bc you can't handle that everything the has do isn't the best thing ever and everything the other teams do should be clowned upon... Doesn't mean you need to insult others who clown your takes for being what they are: Bad
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Apr. 13 at 3:05 p.m.
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Because that's a full starting lineup... Have a full starting lineup of guys outproducing him, then sure... But until then... You can't talk smack as your team would be better off with him than without him


Why should our top 2 defenceman be outproducing PLD? There's more to hockey than offense. Anyways, the Habs wouldn't want 8.5 of PLD, we're very happy with our core. We also arguably have 5 better skaters than PLD. Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Matheson. Then you add Newhook (8 less points than PLD and has played 27 less games), Dach (if he could stay healthy), Guhle has been very good too.
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Apr. 13 at 3:20 p.m.
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Why should our top 2 defenceman be outproducing PLD? There's more to hockey than offense. Anyways, the Habs wouldn't want 8.5 of PLD, we're very happy with our core. We also arguably have 5 better skaters than PLD. Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Matheson. Then you add Newhook (8 less points than PLD and has played 27 less games), Dach (if he could stay healthy), Guhle has been very good too.


Or have a 4rth forward outproducing him? Because he's playing 4rth line minutes... You don't see any Sharks fans laughing at the Kings for making this move... Why? BC he'd still be a top 6 forward on their team... Same with MTL...

So, when he is no longer that, which is most likely pretty soon with Hutson, Mesar, etc., then you can make fun of the Kings for this move... But who knows by that point how PLD produces
Apr. 13 at 7:56 p.m.
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Quoting: Andy_Dick
That guy is the troll king of mental gymnastics. His logic is equivalent to telling someone to prove that leprechauns don't exist. Frig off with your logical fallacies, genius. The Jets fans can clown him but not Habs fans huh?! Cause all Habs fans said he was overrated and they were right like wut

Why don't you block him? You cant win an argument against someone like that. This is the same guy going around saying Lane Hutson is a bust before playing a game. They are everywhere online.


Yeah, he's blocked now. You are 100% bang on with your assessment of him.
Apr. 13 at 7:56 p.m.
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Quoting: A_Habs_fan
Why should our top 2 defenceman be outproducing PLD? There's more to hockey than offense. Anyways, the Habs wouldn't want 8.5 of PLD, we're very happy with our core. We also arguably have 5 better skaters than PLD. Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Matheson. Then you add Newhook (8 less points than PLD and has played 27 less games), Dach (if he could stay healthy), Guhle has been very good too.


Just add him to your ignore list. Simply look at his Post/Like ratio, clearly just a troll who's doing it for attention.
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Apr. 14 at 11:51 a.m.
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It's actually hilarious that; while being in a deserved bottom 6 role with the Kings,

Dubois would still be 5th in scoring if he played on the Habs...


No Habs fan has the right to clown on this trade, Jets fans however...


You’re asking the wrong question. The question should be: Would Dubois be worth $8.5M to Montreal, where presumably he would be playing higher in the lineup? You could argue that he would help them now, and they could fit him under the cap by using more LTIR allowance, but this is an 8-year contract. If the team continues to improve and their young players develop the way they hope, it won’t be long before they’ll have better ways to spend that money. I’m sure there’s a bit of sour grapes in some of the comments we’re seeing from Habs fans, but I agree with them. They’re probably better off without him and his 8x$8.5M contract.
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Apr. 14 at 11:54 a.m.
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You’re asking the wrong question. The question should be: Would Dubois be worth $8.5M to Montreal, where presumably he would be playing higher in the lineup? You could argue that he would help them now, and they could fit him under the cap by using more LTIR allowance, but this is an 8-year contract. If the team continues to improve and their young players develop the way they hope, it won’t be long before they’ll have better ways to spend that money. I’m sure there’s a bit of sour grapes in some of the comments we’re seeing from Habs fans, but I agree with them. They’re probably better off without him and his 8x$8.5M contract.


Oh, that's not a debate, all 32 teams don't need PLD at 8.5 by 8...

But, PLD would still be a top 6 player in MTL at the 2C spot... Meaning he'd still be a meaningful contributor....

In 2-3-4 years, when their prospects come up and start contributing meaningfully, then they can also clown this trade... But the fact remains that he'd be their 5th best player, be the 2C and on PP1
Apr. 14 at 12:00 p.m.
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Quoting: jr400
You’re asking the wrong question. The question should be: Would Dubois be worth $8.5M to Montreal, where presumably he would be playing higher in the lineup? You could argue that he would help them now, and they could fit him under the cap by using more LTIR allowance, but this is an 8-year contract. If the team continues to improve and their young players develop the way they hope, it won’t be long before they’ll have better ways to spend that money. I’m sure there’s a bit of sour grapes in some of the comments we’re seeing from Habs fans, but I agree with them. They’re probably better off without him and his 8x$8.5M contract.


It's not even just the contract, not only is he overpaid and signed long term, but the Kings also had to give up a kings ransom for him. You're talking like Monahan + Josh Roy/Mesar + Ylonen + 2nd. No thank you.
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Apr. 15 at 11:23 a.m.
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So far, Iafallo has been outperforming PLD by himself. If any of the other three pieces hit, then Winnipeg wins by a landslide. As it is, they won by a large margin.


PLD is the perfect player to be tutored by Kopitar. This trade will eventually be viewed as the time when the Kings got "their" guy and the Jets got pieces.
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Apr. 15 at 1:31 p.m.
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Oh, that's not a debate, all 32 teams don't need PLD at 8.5 by 8...

But, PLD would still be a top 6 player in MTL at the 2C spot... Meaning he'd still be a meaningful contributor....

In 2-3-4 years, when their prospects come up and start contributing meaningfully, then they can also clown this trade... But the fact remains that he'd be their 5th best player, be the 2C and on PP1


Dude just stop you’re embarrassing yourself, you aren’t necessarily wrong but like why is that relevant? The habs made the right move not to pursue PLD and it’s fine for habs fans to say that. It really doesn’t matter that he’s be their 5th best player, in fact it further adds to their argument that they shouldn’t have gotten him (that he’s only the 5th best on a crap team)
Apr. 15 at 1:35 p.m.
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Quoting: Andy_Dick
That guy is the troll king of mental gymnastics. His logic is equivalent to telling someone to prove that leprechauns don't exist. Frig off with your logical fallacies, genius. The Jets fans can clown him but not Habs fans huh?! Cause all Habs fans said he was overrated and they were right like wut

Why don't you block him? You cant win an argument against someone like that. This is the same guy going around saying Lane Hutson is a bust before playing a game. They are everywhere online.


How ironic though... The king of being a troll on this site...


And you don't see Sharks or Ducks fans talking smack about acquiring other players, do you?
Apr. 15 at 1:38 p.m.
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Dude just stop you’re embarrassing yourself, you aren’t necessarily wrong but like why is that relevant? The habs made the right move not to pursue PLD and it’s fine for habs fans to say that. It really doesn’t matter that he’s be their 5th best player, in fact it further adds to their argument that they shouldn’t have gotten him (that he’s only the 5th best on a crap team)


It's a fair assessment... You don't see me going into Erik Karlson threads talking about how the Leafs are great and he's the most overrated player in the league, just like player that I didn't like last year, etc.

Because Karlson would be a top 6 player in Toronto... And he would still be a good upgrade to them

It pisses me off seeing this same thing but with another fanbase and different player who usually doesn't struggle this much
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Apr. 15 at 4:43 p.m.
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It's a fair assessment... You don't see me going into Erik Karlson threads talking about how the Leafs are great and he's the most overrated player in the league, just like player that I didn't like last year, etc.

Because Karlson would be a top 6 player in Toronto... And he would still be a good upgrade to them

It pisses me off seeing this same thing but with another fanbase and different player who usually doesn't struggle this much


Ok fair enough, but then say that. The whole top 5 player thing is irrelevant to the conversation
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Apr. 15 at 5:02 p.m.
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Why are leafs fans creating drama in the Kevin Cheveldayoff victory lap thread?
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Apr. 15 at 7:42 p.m.
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Ok fair enough, but then say that. The whole top 5 player thing is irrelevant to the conversation


That's my point though... Using top 5 and etc. is how I described EK65 scenario... It's used as an explanation and got blown out of proportion
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Apr. 15 at 7:45 p.m.
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Why are leafs fans creating drama in the Kevin Cheveldayoff victory lap thread?


1. You didn't see all the Habs fans creating the drama?

2. It was a perfect time to use masterclass thread
 
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