yeah, that’s not even ballpark for mangiapane. he’s literally twice as good as what you hope kapanen is and a meh + no-name prospect and two 2nds don’t move the needle

Daring. Well done.

There's no scenario where Calgary does that.

In terms of value, yes. But when we look at the context their hands may be tied. Johnny Hockey sounds like it will
Go down to the wire, if Matthews brother Brady is any indication of how Matt will negotiate than that could take the whole summer. By the time the flames are ready to make a deal involving mangiapane most teams could be finished their business for the summer. I do also love the “I don’t know who this prospect is so let’s call him a no name” mentality. All things considered the package is probably worth close to 2 firsts and I am not sure you will get that much more for mangiapane given the context, but you very well could be right

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Really reaching here. He wont be traded at all. Especially not for that. Calgary will move Monahan or Lucic to make the cap room

I know who Filip Lindberg is which is why I feel comfortable calling him a no-name prospect lol. He’s at best your 3rd best goalie prospect, which is saying something because the Pens prospect pool is famously devoid of talent and depth, and is 23 with exactly 7 pro games under his belt as an undersized goalie. He’s an AHL backup that might top out as a #3 in a few years if you’re lucky. He’s not relevant. You could’ve at least put in Blomqvist.

If the Flames do end up needing to trade Mangiapane, every other NHL team will beat this offer in a heartbeat. Which isn’t difficult because you didn’t even include a 1st. I don’t think the Pens have really anything of interest, but this year’s and next year’s 1st + Blomqvist + Kapanen might be close enough that it wouldn’t simply be immediately dismissed.

Just so you know that at the $5.5M that Mang is signing in this situation the compensation if it was an offer sheet would only be 1 first and a 3rd. Yet you think the bolded would be fair? For an RFA? Really? Sure Kappy is not worth a 1st, but Kappy plus a 2nd could be. Poulin was a first round pick 3 years ago, so that's essentially 2 firsts already plus Lindberg and another 2nd. So if you think Mang is going to get 2 1sts, a 2nd and a "B+" level goalie prospect, I think you are going to be very dissapointed.

Being a first round pick 3 years ago means nothing when he’s not a very highly touted prospect anymore. And Lindberg is not a B+ level goalie prospect lmao. I would accept Blomqvist being a B+ level goalie prospect, and Clang is worse than him, and Lindberg is worse than both so he ends up around the AHL lifer tier of goalie prospect, which holds next to no value (probably wouldn’t even give a 7th for him tbh, I’d rather draft an 18yo goalie and see what happens). You’re also doing a lot of math to try to turn things into equivalent to a 1st here, and a late 1st at that. If another team came along and offered a pick in the mid-teens, that would literally beat this offer straight up. And Mangiapane won’t be dealt for quantity regardless, so you’re gonna need to part with premier assets (which, again, the Penguins don’t even have lol). And you’re missing the whole point of an offer sheet with that inane comparison. Him potentially signing a deal in the 1st+3rd range doesn’t make that his value, because the Flames would simply match and thank you for doing the negotiating for us. You’d need to offer him a number in the 2 1sts + 2nd + 3rd range to convince the Flames that it might be acceptable to not match (which is approximately what two 1sts + Kapanen + Blomqvist would be worth). And if you’re trading for him straight up, his value is obviously higher because you get to sign him at this lower number.

edit: And I’m not going to be disappointed because he’s not going anywhere regardless lol, and once again, definitely not for peanuts like this offer